NJ Saltwater Fisherman Forums
NJ Saltwater Fisherman => News and Information => Topic started by: IrishAyes on December 07, 2009, 01:09:19 PM
-
I just receive this in an email:
The NJ DEP Division of Fish and Wildlife reminds saltwater anglers that the federal government's National Saltwater Angler Registry Program requires most New Jersey saltwater anglers to register prior to fishing in 2010.
You must register if you*
* Fish for or catch anadromous species (striped bass, shad, river herring) in state tidal waters
* Fish in Federal waters (more than 3 miles from shore)
You do not have to register if you*
* Are under 16 years of age
* Only fish on federally licensed party or charter boats
* Hold a Highly Migratory Species Angling Permit
Online and telephone registration will begin January 1, 2010. Register online at www.countmyfish.noaa.gov or call toll free 888-674-7411.
Registration is free in 2010.
-
I take it that means about ever one on here has to register. rgmn
-
Some of our state legislators are still trying to work out a plan for NJ to run this registry. As of now, at least one state senator is trying to keep this a free registry for us. t^
http://www.njsendems.com/senator.asp?sid=47 (http://www.njsendems.com/senator.asp?sid=47)
The RFA is behind his plan. Read more here.
http://www.njsendems.com/release.asp?rid=2983 (http://www.njsendems.com/release.asp?rid=2983)
-
Bob, you are correct in that they are trying to get a NJ registry. In the mean time, you must register with the feds if you wish to fish federal waters (three miles or more off shore) starting January 1, 2010 (next month) :P
Any boat owner holding a Highly Migratory Species Angling Permit (tuna permit) need not register (you are already registered with the feds when you get the permit).
You also do not have to register if you are fishing on a party boat or charter boat that has a federal permit. I believe any party or charter boat needs a federal permit IF THEY FISH FEDERAL WATERS. The IF THEY FISH FEDERAL WATERS would be the key words here. Some do fish federal waters and some do not. MOST party boats do, a lot of the charter boats do not. Best to check with the boat owner/operator.
-
whats an "anadromous species"?
-
That is a fish that lives in the salt water and goes into the fresh water to spawn. Striped bass and herring would be two examples. t^
-
I just renewed my HMS permit on line last week. I`m registered under that permit, but I still need to register my wife and daughter to make a family fishing trip leagle. <`[[[[><
-
One thing to remember, not only do you have to register but in my case my wife and daughter has to register as well.
If you are out fishing with multiple poles and they are with you they have to be registered. This could get sticky especially if you have guests from out of state that do not fish salt water but are with you.
-
Some of our state legislators are still trying to work out a plan for NJ to run this registry. As of now, at least one state senator is trying to keep this a free registry for us. t^
http://www.njsendems.com/senator.asp?sid=47 (http://www.njsendems.com/senator.asp?sid=47)
The RFA is behind his plan. Read more here.
http://www.njsendems.com/release.asp?rid=2983 (http://www.njsendems.com/release.asp?rid=2983)
Van Drew will run against LoBiondo for Congress in the 2010 election cycle. Mark it down. ;)
-
Dumb question here....the bays and ocean beaches are state tidal water? 5hrug
And you don't need to register if you fish for or catch blues, fluke, tog, etc?
-
Dumb question here....the bays and ocean beaches are state tidal water? 5hrug
And you don't need to register if you fish for or catch blues, fluke, tog, etc?
The way I read it...if it is a federal registry, you are correct. Just can't fish for/keep anadromous species (striped bass, herring, shad).
However, I would bet that if the state moves on this, everyone who fishes any salt water will need to register/have a license. You know the state, they do not like to leave anyone out who they can collect money from. ;D
-
Dumb question here....the bays and ocean beaches are state tidal water? 5hrug
And you don't need to register if you fish for or catch blues, fluke, tog, etc?
How does this wording affect the need to register?
* Fish for or catch anadromous species (striped bass, shad, river herring) in state tidal waters
So if you have bait out for blues and a striper happens to eat it and you land the fish, is that considered "catching?"
They use that wording to make it impossible not to buy the license, stamp, etc...
5hrug
-
Sounds like the same wording they use for having a trout stamp in freshwater. "...a valid fishing license and trout
stamp are both required to fish for or possess
trout."
I was once told that it's the officer's judgement as to whether you are actually fishing for trout or not. ::)
-
Sounds like the same wording they use for having a trout stamp in freshwater. "...a valid fishing license and trout
stamp are both required to fish for or possess
trout."
I was once told that it's the officer's judgement as to whether you are actually fishing for trout or not. ::)
EXACTLY! I just bought a Trout Stamp to be safe and then took advantage of having it. $10 now or $1000's later...
::)
-
so....what about this gray area....some charter boats hold federal permits such as northeast multi species AND H.M.S. charter/head boat permits for tunas and shark....this allows us not to register for the registry. We fill out V.T.R.'S (Vessel Trip Reports) after every trip which exempts us from the registry....however....the way i am reading this...an H.M.S. RECREATIONALLY PERMITTED VESSEL would only cover that vessel if they are fishing for tunas or sharks....what if they are fishing federal waters for species not covered under that H.M.S. Recreational Permit (blackfish, flounder, scup, etc.) do they still need to register?
-
so....what about this gray area....some charter boats hold federal permits such as northeast multi species AND H.M.S. charter/head boat permits for tunas and shark....this allows us not to register for the registry. We fill out V.T.R.'S (Vessel Trip Reports) after every trip which exempts us from the registry....however....the way i am reading this...an H.M.S. RECREATIONALLY PERMITTED VESSEL would only cover that vessel if they are fishing for tunas or sharks....what if they are fishing federal waters for species not covered under that H.M.S. Recreational Permit (blackfish, flounder, scup, etc.) do they still need to register?
As interpertided to me by a friend in "the legal field" , that's the only title he would let me say (he's trying to make partner), by having the HMS Permit, you become "Registered", regardless of what species you are fishing for. I'm led to believe that that will cover you,(Us Recreational Fishermen) as the "Registered" HMS Permit Holder, but not cover other fisherman inboard. I'm not sure how it applies to individual fishermen aboard a Charter trip, I we did not discuss that aspect.
For 2010, the registry is FREE, fisherman should cover their a$$ and just register to avoid hassles down the road. As this thing plays out within New Jersey during 2010, the state WILL come up with fees, rules, and regulations for us to adhere to , and I'm sure they will let us know how far to bend over. <'((((><
-
Grab your ankles in 2011. I believe that we'll get it in the end again. nosmly Just how much remains to be seen. With all the regs and closing of fisheries I might be better off taking up a new hobby.
-
...and I'm sure they will let us know how far to bend over. <'((((><
Grab you ankles in 2011. I believe that we'll get it in the end again.
Dang! You guys really like to talk about taking it up the butt. nosmly Maybe a little too much... :-*
rofla
-
...and I'm sure they will let us know how far to bend over. <'((((><
Live in New Jersey long enough, and we are getting used to it! nosmly <'((((><
Grab you ankles in 2011. I believe that we'll get it in the end again.
Dang! You guys really like to talk about taking it up the butt. nosmly Maybe a little too much... :-*
rofla
-
As of right now, the federal government (NOAA) only wants a list of New Jersey residents who fish federal waters. They want this list (registry) so they have a data base of who they should be calling to take a survey of fishing activities. This is not a 'license' that is wanted by the feds, only a 'list' of fishermen/women to call for their survey.
As it works now, the calls they make are not always to people who fish, thus, wasting their time and effort. The feds want a list of actual fishing people to call.
As far as the tuna permit, that is issued to the vessel. Thus, the owner of the vessel is already registered with the feds for the purpose of this registry coming upon us.
-
Joe... my federal fishery permit covers my boat and all who fish on it or just the owners?
-
Jerry, According to this passangers on a licensed vessel 'for hire' are exempt. The reasoning is that the vessel is already set up for the survey.
See Q&A #9.
http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/mrip/faq.html#9
-
Jerry, According to this passangers on a licensed vessel 'for hire' are exempt. The reasoning is that the vessel is already set up for the survey.
See Q&A #9.
http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/mrip/faq.html#9
this is correct....and im assimung that a recreational permit holder would be covered for all federal water fishing regardless of species because they are on the survey list with that permit....but what about his friends onboard that dont have the permit?
-
Hey Guys, What about if you just fish the bay?
-
IF you fish for stripers or they are caught in the area you fish and you might catch one, you need to register. THat's pretty plain.
-
Capt Carl. The friends would have to register if they do not hold their own HMS permit.
-
Sorry But I am new here so if this has been answered before please forgive me.
Where do you go to register on line for the "free"
federal saltwater registry.
I do understand that if I have a HMS permit that covers it for me, but for members of my family or friends who only fish in shore with me, how can they register?
-
Hi Tigger. Welcome to the site. The HMS Permit covers only you. The others need to register. For those do need to register. you can do that here
https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/ t^
-
i think we are all in for a ass whipping again we all need to get together and do something i dont know what but this is another way of tying a anchor around us and dropping us off the boat. please if there is anyway to fight this let me know and please dont say vote. thanks all and happy fishing for now.
-
www.joinrfa.com t^
and another t^
March on DC
http://njsaltwaterfisherman.com/forums/index.php?topic=14978.0
-
Thanks again hot-rod i will do my part and the best of my ability. and will be on this site everyday now. signed up back in july last year and havent been on much but i will now hagd and again thanks chrz slt t^
-
Hello everyone,
I just registered to this website, so its my fist time here.
I have 2 questions and please don't laugh at the first one.
1- I live in NY am I allowed to fish from NJ party boats?
2- If I am allowed to fish on NJ party boats do I need to register for a fishing license?
Sorry if these questions seem dumb, but you never know any more.
-
Dabeeza, first off, welcome to the site.
To answer your questions; Yes, you can fish on Jersey party boats and you do not need a license or registry to do so. The party boat would cover that as most hold a federal permit and you would be covered under that. Same would apply to any charter boat the holds a federal permit.
Any other questions you may have, just ask. Anything you can add, please feel free to do so. t^
-
t^ I would also like to Welcome you Dabeeza. chrz
-
I take it that means about ever one on here has to register. rgmn
Yep, but those who fish RB and maybe might drift over the stateline just need to buy the nonresident NY license ($15 ea.) that'll cover you either way...
https://nyfgisales.appsolgrp.com/fgnyia/newCustomerLogin.do
-
Got my card in the mail today. Everybody's got lots of questions and I just wanted to say, at this point it's free and it doesn't take alot of time to get so you might as well just get it. The way the questions went, it seems like everyone is gonna need one. Should it start costing some money-then I'd worry about wether or not you meet all the criteria. Just my two cents, I'll go now. ;D
-
I've yet to see this information anywhere! If you hold a Rec. HMS permit and you are fishing on your vessel, your covered, anyone else over the age of 15 fishing on that vessel is required to register.
If another Captain fishes on your vessel and he holds a Rec. HMS permit, is he covered under his permit? And if so will he be required to carry it with him ?
Same goes if I fish on another vessel?
NOAA does not make this clear on there site. They state you do not have to register if you hold the HMS, but do not state you must be on that vessel.
Any thoughts on this ??
-
Wow. Good Question. I am thinking since I hold a HMS Permit, and it's registered in my Name.. not my Boat, I'm covered on any vessel
-
If you hold an HMS permit you do not have to register even if fishing off of another boat. The registration is so the government can have access to the fishermen. Once registered (by HMS permit) they have your information thus no need to register again.
I would think that you would need to carry the HMS permit if fishing on another boat so you can prove you are registered, just as everyone else has to carry the registration with them.
-
I
I would think that you would need to carry the HMS permit if fishing on another boat so you can prove you are registered, just as everyone else has to carry the registration with them.
That's pretty much what I was thinking ! I laminate my permit each year and store it on the boat, but I think I'll do another and re-size it to fit in my wallet. Not sure if it will be legible if it's that small but I'll give it a try or just smaller to fit in a tackle bag.
Thanks for the replies. TT^
-
Yea. I need to do the same thing.. Now that we got that out of the way.. Salty did you know...
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
bnqt ;D
-
An interesting post I found:
According to the verbiage in 600.1410 Subpart P-Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States under the Registry process 600.1410 section, number (d), starting on page 79,718 it states: "NMFS will issue a registration number and certificate to registrants. A registration number and certificate will be valid for one year from the date on which it was issued."
50 CFR 600 Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States
Due to the registration process as defined by the National Marine Fisheries Service New Jersey anglers can register on December 31, 2010 and not pay a fee associated with the Federal Angler Registry for 2011 up to December 30, 2011. I am sure many anglers will take advantage of this loophole in the registration process in the event that New Jersey does not pass legislation for a free or nominal fee registry in 2010.
Jersey Joe
http://bhweb.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=136892#Post1368 92
PART 600-MAGNUSON-STEVENS ACT PROVISIONS
Subpart P--Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States
ยง 600.1410 Registry process.
d. NMFS will issue a registration number and certificate to registrants. A registration number and certificate will be valid for one year from the date on which it was issued.
Here is a working link to the Final Rule PDF. Large file 2.59 mb. Section mentioned is on page 60.
https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdf
-
S1122:
12/9/2010 10:00:00 AM Environment and Energy
Committee Room 10, 3rd Floor, State House Annex, Trenton, NJ
Senate Environment and Energy Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 10:00 AM Meeting - Committee Room 10, 3rd Floor, State House Annex, Trenton, NJ
The committee will hear testimony from representatives of the Department of Environmental Protection and members of the public concerning the department's implementation of the "Site Remediation Reform Act," P.L.2009, c.60.
Bill AbstractCurrent StatusLDOA
A823 Saltwater fishing, free reg.-estab. SEN3/22/2010
A2529 Renewable energy tech.-revise SEN11/8/2010
S1122 Saltwater fishing registry-estab. free SEN2/4/2010
S2306 Renewable energy tech.-revise SEN9/23/2010
S2371 Solar Renewable Energy Cert.-purchase SEN11/8/2010
-
What about someone who stands on the jetty and fishes in the surf? Would he need to register?
-
According to the way I understand this "yes " If you target stripers in the surf or anywhere You need to register. If you fish only on party/charter boats that are already in the program , They will take care of it thru boat permits which include all paying customers. THis may or may not cause the rates to go up ::) The program has been in place for 2010 and there are lots of opinions about this and that. To be continued......... ;D
-
NJ Senate Environmental and Energy Committee
Senator Bob Smith - Chair
Legislative District 17
216 Stelton Road
Suite E-5
Piscataway, NJ 08854-3284
Phone: 732-752-0770
Fax: 732-752-1590
Email: SenBSmith@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=53
Senator Robert M. Gordon - Vice-Chair
Legislative District 38
14-25 Plaza Road
P.O. Box 398
Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
Phone: 201-703-9779
Fax: 201-703-8127
Email: SenGordon@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=307
Senator Christopher "Kip" Bateman
Legislative District 16
36 East Main Street
Somerville, NJ 08876-2308
Phone: 908-526-3600
Fax: 908-707-4578
Email: SenBateman@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=304
Senator James Beach
Legislative District 6
1916 Route 70 East
Suite 3
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003-2172
Phone: 856-489-3442
Fax: 856-489-4180
Email: SenBeach@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=310
Senator Jennifer Beck
Legislative District 12
32 Monmouth Street
3rd Floor
Red Bank, NJ 07701
Phone: 732-933-1591
Fax: 732-933-1598
Email: SenBeck@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=303
-
Just got done emailing all the Committee members, as well as my Local Senator t^
-
So I'm registered with the NOAA. Does NJ. have its own registery or not? Please clarify, thanx.
-
So I'm registered with the NOAA. Does NJ. have its own registery or not? Please clarify, thanx.
As of now, no. NJ does not have a registry. It is waiting on the tyrant's governor's desk for his signiture. If you want to fish right now you have to register with the feds and that will cost $15.
-
Okay, if a magic wand was waved over Trenton, and the governor signed the bill today, wouldn't NJ then have to get some type of waiver from the Feds because we did not have this in place by the mandated deadline of 12/31/2010?
-
So I'm registered with the NOAA. Does NJ. have its own registery or not? Please clarify, thanx.
As of now, no. NJ does not have a registry. It is waiting on the tyrant's governor's desk for his signiture. If you want to fish right now you have to register with the feds and that will cost $15.
You brought a tear to my eye Joe :'(. I feel like your brother lol
-
;D
-
It is waiting on the
tyrant's governor's desk for his signiture.
[/quote]
t^
-
I'm still unclear about this, if I'm fishing for striper from a pier,surf, or jetty and not on a party boat. Do I have to register and pay $ 15.00 for 2011? Or did I miss something? I registered last year when it was free nobody sent me a survey or questionaire asking what I caught. What kind of BS is this? rgmn
-
Good question Buggy.
So am I (confused).
Almost all of my salt water fishing is on charters and PBs. so wasn't concerned.
I did register before 12/31/10 for free.
Last year I did not.
Do you need to have registration to wet a line in any salt in NJ or just the federal 3 miles out?
Was I fishing illegal at the PP Canal this past summer without the registration?
-
I dunno, both Paul-e and I have questions about this can someone give us an anwser? Do I have to register and pay or not?
-
If you are fishing for stripers, yes.
-
My suggestion:
Register
My Reasoning:
If you catch a record breaking fish
or
If you catch a tournament winning fish
or
If you win the "Dream Boat Challenge"
If you are NOT REGISTERED , someone will make an issue about your "ILLEAGLE CATCH" and you will be S.O.L , all over 15 bucks. rgmn <'((((><
-
OK sooooooo this is only for stripers, and we can fish in any salt for anything else.
Beach, piers, etc. ???
-
Here you go. https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/register/ (https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/register/)
-
There is a questionare on the site that Bucktail directed you to in the above post.
One of the questions is: Will you be fishing for anadromous species in tidal water, or do you think that there is a chance you will catch anadromous* fish?
(*Anadromous fish are species that live part of their lives in fresh water and part of their lives in salt water. They include river herring, salmon, shad, smelt, sturgeon or striped bass)
If you answer yes to this question you do need to register.
You will be fishing tidal waters, therefore, you will need to register.
-
Thanks "Bucktail Fonzie" and Joe. t^
-
Aaaaaaaaaay! t^
;D