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Title: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: ReelFun on February 05, 2010, 05:34:59 PM
In case nobody saw todays APP, here is the write up by John Oswald, staff writer, verbatim and my thoughts about the options:

"As for summer flounder, there will be a one percent reduction in quota and six options that have been submitted by the state approved by the technical committee for seasons and limits.

The options are as follows;

1-6 fish @ 18" from May 29 to Sept 6....101 days
2-4 fish @ 18" from May 23 to Sept 6....107 days
3-6 fish @ 18.5 from May 13 to Sept 13.124 days
4-6 fish @ 18.5 from May 29 to Sept 26..121 days
5-6 fish @ 18.8 from May 21 to Sept 12..115 days
6-6 fish @ 18.5 from May 29 to Sept 17..112 days

(Please check my numbers on the total days, I calculated them and not John Oswald, but I think I'm pretty close)

MY preference, without question, is Option 4 which gives me the second most number of days on the water, and runs from Memorial Day weekend through Labor Day weekend AND carries through deep into September when the larger fish are around throughout the state. It offers a fair number of fish per angler as an incentive for chartering AND I'll be Bassin' through all of May anyway. This allow me to take the least hit business wise and reduces the time in the fall from the end of Fluke to the startup of Bass again....NO BRAINER FOR ME!

I know others will have reasons for other options, but consider something. If we're really trying to keep as many people employed in this crappy economy as possible and for the longest possible time, let's pray the powers to be take into consideration who and how many people can best be served by choosing the best option.

Just my thoughts.......sorry for the rant. I may be wrong here, so what's your thoughts?

Capt. John


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Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 05, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
I agree with the longer past Labor Day being the the better option. The number of keepers is not as much a factor as the size and the time allowed on the water for the flatties.

The best thing to do so your voice is heard is to show up to the meeting in Gallaway Township(at least that is where it was last year) in March when this will be voted on. I was there last year and there was not a lot of fishermen present given the number of fishermen that are in this state.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Hotrod on February 05, 2010, 06:26:51 PM
Thanks for the post Capt John.  t^
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: ReelFun on February 05, 2010, 06:52:54 PM
If you would be kind enough to alert me as to when that meeting in March is, I will make a very strong attempt to be there.

Thanks,

Capt. John
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Bucktail on February 05, 2010, 06:54:21 PM
I would be in favor of option 4 as well.  But you know those in the more southern parts of the state will be pushing for an earlier start.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: ReelFun on February 05, 2010, 07:02:36 PM
Irish Ayes,

Let's look at this another way....

The size of the fish, as far as I'm concerned is irrelevant! Why, because the longer you're out on the water, the greater the chances of catching more (greating quantity) fish, thus increasing your chances of scoring larger fish.....right? It's the law of averages. Sooner or later, after covering enough ground, you're bound to score some big fish.

So who cares about 18" or 18.5"? It doesn't matter. In time (TIME) it all will work out. I want time on the water. And for me, and most of the friends of mine who are recreational fisherman, they want more time.

Capt. John

p.s. I would bet that if you took a poll of ALL the party and charter captains in Monmouth and Ocean counties, they would probably give you the same answer. Give me the days on the water and over time, we'll score some impressive numbers.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 05, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
I think the time on the water is the most important thing, followed by the size limit and then the bag limit.

That is if the size and bag limit are somewhat reasonable.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Stray Cat on February 05, 2010, 07:45:06 PM
I'm with you guys on this choice.


4-6 fish @ 18.5 from May 29 to Sept 26..121 days
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: beachwalker on February 05, 2010, 10:41:27 PM
Option 4 gets my vote chrz
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Pfishingruven on February 06, 2010, 01:08:09 AM
I am also for #4!  It makes the most sense...you know what that means, though.

 TT^
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Reckless on February 06, 2010, 05:01:17 AM
#4 also.
Title: Marine Fisheries Council Meeting Location Changed
Post by: njdiver on February 06, 2010, 09:11:53 AM

The NJ DEP Division of Fish and Wildlife has been advised that the March 4, 2010,
Marine Fisheries Council  meeting location has been changed from Galloway to Toms River. 

The meeting will be held at 4 p.m. in the  L. Manuel Hirshblond Room in the Toms River
Township Office, 33 Washington Street,  Toms River, NJ   08753. 

For information on this and other fish and wildlife councils and meeting schedules see http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/councils.htmhttp://www.njfishandwildlife.com/councils.htm (http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/councils.htmhttp://www.njfishandwildlife.com/councils.htm) on the division's website.

Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 06, 2010, 10:37:23 AM
Thanks for the info on the location change for the meeting NJDiver. Hopefully that location will get a better response from people, as it is more centrally located.  t^
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Pops Soul on February 06, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
 :headscra: I don't understand why they are hung up on a early start date. Why not go from mid june into October  ???
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 06, 2010, 10:44:50 AM
The south jersey guys want the earlier start because the get fish in the back waters before our fish come in.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: bugmannj on February 06, 2010, 11:21:51 AM
Option #4 for me too, I don't think that one area of the state should determine a start date.
Should be fair all concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 06, 2010, 11:24:11 AM
Option #4 for me too, I don't think that one area of the state should determine a start date.
Should be fair all concerned.

True, true, true. But some people are hard to convince.  rgmn rgmn rgmn
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt. Carl on February 06, 2010, 11:28:23 AM
The south jersey guys want the earlier start because the get fish in the back waters before our fish come in.

but they also get a later fall migration outbound....and they are mostly drum fishing in may anyway
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Noworries2009 on February 06, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
I'm for 18" and no bigger or It'll be 19 then 20 then 21 like NY. We overfish every year and then tighten the regs. Wish we had a 1 fish limit after the closure so we can take the big ones that are in the surf in Sept/Oct.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: CaptTB on February 08, 2010, 08:19:41 AM
I'm for 18" and no bigger or It'll be 19 then 20 then 21 like NY. We overfish every year and then tighten the regs. Wish we had a 1 fish limit after the closure so we can take the big ones that are in the surf in Sept/Oct.

There is a man who has paid attention to history!!

NY has had to go up in size and shorten season every year since 2003. Each year, the restriction became even more harsh than the year before. So, the bigger they went, the more they overfished, the more they cut back, so the bigger they went, and on and on.

To date, this is the FIRST year they have been able to back down a bit, and they will STILL have the largest size limit on the eastern seaboard and one of if not the shortest season on the eastern seaboard.

Every time you give up size for season you are rolling the dice and one of them is loaded.

Getting size limit back is also one of the most difficult things. Notice that for the last three years the quota has gone up yet we have NEVER had an option of going down in size?

I'm sorry, but whomever said if you asked the partyboat guys they would agree never asked this partyboat guy or the dozens of others I deal with.

I like to think I am not so short sighted as to be willing to sacrifice my future for my present.

The question the businesses will need to ask themselves is, "Have we reached that point where we must forgo thoughts of the future, because without the present we will not be here in the future."

Many businesses are in that position with various fisheries. Obviously if at the end of the season you would not likely be in business with too restrictive a season then you should fight for the longest season.

However, I have spoken with dozens of captain from up and down the coast of NJ each year for nearly a decade about this issue (specifically the fluke regs each year) and have been on the states advisors panel for nearly that long as well.

SImple facts are that bigger fish weigh more, so you will get fewer fish to keep for the same number of pounds if the fish are bigger than before. It is simple math.  And our quota is in pounds, not numbers of fish.

Simple facts are that if the season is open, MRFSS will claim you landed fish, and landed them big time. It has been proven time and time again. If the season is open, you will land fish on a par with every other year, even in the middle of a hurricane. Yes, MRFSS claimed fish were landed when a hurricane was making landfall in the state.

Many years ago (7 to be exact) a bunch of us made the decision at the advisors meeting to not take the full reduction we had at our disposal when making our recommendation to the state. To leave some "in the bank" so to speak to deal with the uncertainty of MRFSS. It has worked for us ever since. Sometimes in taking less, sometimes in simply taking options that are supposedly "equivalent" and recognizing what has or has not worked better in the past.

Because of the way the dates fall we get both holidays this year. And, work is being done on the sea bass season as we speak, so we may have an even later season if possible.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Noworries2009 on February 08, 2010, 11:25:42 AM
Thanks for all that you do Mr. Bogan  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 08, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
18" option

Size limit is already on the breaking point of being to large. like others said you rarely get it back when it comes to size retrictions!!! look at ny.



Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: CaptTB on February 08, 2010, 12:30:33 PM
Let me just add that I COMPLETELY understand the desire for the longest season possible! Fact is that it is tough to make money with restrictive bag an size limits, but it is impossible to make money in a given fishery if it is CLOSED!

I get it, believe me I do. However, if we can work the Sea Bass season to be open later in Sept., and the Fluke boats can "survive" with a season that encompasses Memorial day to Labor Day, we might (I say might) have a shot at being able to hold off extending the season to its max in Fluke and thereby hedge our bets for the future.

As I said before, for the businesses (I am not trying to speak for individuals here, I know what the anglers on our boats want, they want keepers more than more time to throw fish back) they need to determine what they feel their businesses can or cannot survive with. And, only they can decide that. I can give advice, I can tell people what has or has not worked and what has or has not happened before and what possible outcomes/consequences/benefits may come based on experience.

What I cannot do is tell them what works best for their business. As I said, only they can decide that and I will respect whatever they (meaning the various business owners) tell me. I might disagree with it, but I respect and understand all the various decisions.

I have dealt with this issue for so many years it gets frustrating to have to push for things that may help one group but will inevitably hurt another. Let's face it, since we had to lose our late September/October season a few years back, and with the size limits we are now at the shore guys are basically in a catch and release fishery, period.

The southern guys have always wanted their earliest possible season and many have told me the fall "exit" as it was put does not have the same fish available. I do not know, so I have to go by what the "experts" tell me they see in their neck of the woods.

It sucks, which is why I have spent so much time and energy with SSFFF the past 3 years. That group is the single reason we are not looking at far more severe cutbacks and /or closures in Fluke, period.

Quota had to be our number one concern. Once we get the quota back to a respectable level we need to continue fine tuning the rest of the system as it relates to Fluke.

We will continue to fight on all fronts to the best of our ability (we meaning SSFFF, UB and RFA, the ones who have always fought)
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Hotrod on February 08, 2010, 02:20:28 PM
 clp slt t^
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt. Carl on February 08, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
Well Said Capt. Tony
 slt
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: brian8980 on February 08, 2010, 03:17:38 PM
Nicely Put.  slt
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: bugmannj on February 08, 2010, 06:00:14 PM
 t^
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt. Birch on February 08, 2010, 08:46:53 PM
Dam CaptTB you did it again. ;D Making statements backed up by pure facts and personal experience backed by many years in the industry.It kinda takes alot of the debate out of things. Thanks for taking the time to help us have better informed opinions on our fisheries. I do however find it somewhat entertaining when you try to better inform on some other sites. Kinda like educating a brick _:".  Thanks  for taking the time to post here. I think i can speak for most around here that we appreciate your opinions and post and time spent on here
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: wb on February 10, 2010, 04:59:36 PM
man I hope it's not 18.8", my laser micrometer is out at the shop for calibration  _:"

pretty soon you will need to be a rocket surgeon to go fishing

Heck why not make it 477.52mm while we're splitting hairs  slt
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Jeffish on February 10, 2010, 05:24:36 PM
Rocket surgeon?  rofla  rofla

Thanks for the info CaptTB, very informative!
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Tacklebox Joe on February 10, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
 nts

umm..scientist?
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: fathergll on February 10, 2010, 07:29:21 PM




MY preference, without question, is Option 4 which gives me the second most number of days on the water, and runs from Memorial Day weekend through Labor Day weekend AND carries through deep into September when the larger fish are around throughout the state. It offers a fair number of fish per angler as an incentive for chartering AND I'll be Bassin' through all of May anyway. This allow me to take the least hit business wise and reduces the time in the fall from the end of Fluke to the startup of Bass again....NO BRAINER FOR ME!





As stated before the worst thing you can do is give up the size because we will never get it back. It much easier to get a longer season than it is to reduce the size limit. NY state is a joke with the regulations


#2 is the best but still stinks for myself since I fish only the inlets and 18" is VERY difficult to bring home fish. 17" is a fair but tough size for inlet but 18" is pushing it big time.  5hrug

I know it would be almost impossible to enforce but I wish there were different size limits for ocean and bays/inlets(kinda of like how they do it for the Chesapeake Bay....16 1/2" for fluke and Ocean is 18")


Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt.Rick on February 21, 2010, 09:51:15 AM
Where do they come up with these proposals???  Who in their right mind would vote for # 2?  I would agree that history states we will never go back to a shorter minimum size and the longer we stay on the water the better chance "scientific data" will return that we have OVERFISHED yet again meaning tougher restrictions the following year.  We need to find the right balance with a choice that will not destroy our future.  Step 1 Stop the bleeding - No more minimum size increases.  Step 2 keep bag limit at 6 (There are a few times when we all get some luck out there)  Step 3 Determine best time of the year to fish.  Why can't we have a split season?  Target some spring fish close the season a few weeks in the dead heat of summer and re-open with a fishery into October?  This is certainly a better offer than # 2.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Noworries2009 on February 21, 2010, 11:35:34 AM
I fish the surf and Manasquan Inlet a lot especially after Labor Day. Lots of fish all summer but a much better shot at the bigger ones in Sept & Oct.Catch and release is fun but all we need is 1 fish to keep us happy.Last Oct. we had fluke to 8# (estimated)all released. It certainly would bridge the gap till the stripers show up. Help out the local business too ! I'm for Option #1 18" and no more size increases period !
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt. Joe G on February 25, 2010, 10:30:22 PM
none of the above  until the commercial size limit is change and overall deadloss is taken into consideration.  These regulations are pointless .. we are consistly be screw!!!
 
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Kensdock on February 27, 2010, 08:02:41 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: njdiver on February 27, 2010, 08:36:09 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.

You have got to divulge the source of that one!
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on February 27, 2010, 08:59:36 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.

You have got to divulge the source of that one!


Once upon a time... nosmly
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: CaptTB on February 27, 2010, 09:12:06 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.

That is potentially the biggest LIE I have ever read on a message board.

This guy got censored for 30 days on one site, kicked off another, and now has infected this one with his BS rhetoric.

Kensdock, please PROVE the statement you just made. Show me EXACTLY how you came up with that calculation, and the EXACT references you used to determine that information. I am assuming you used the reduction tables the ASMFC uses, and inserted the number of angler that USF&W estimates for anglers in NJ vs. what MRFSS uses right? (adjusting for the different angler number of course)

Or, perhaps you took into consideration that ASMFC have traditionally used a Weibull Curve and NJ has started looking into a different method?

Did you look at the TC reports from past years that showed what our landings at 17" were with seasons far shorter than what you propose (even taking into consideration cutting our angler numbers in half) along with the projections of current and previous year classes in that size range?

I can't WAIT to hear how you came to those imaginary numbers  nts nts rofla
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 27, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.

That is potentially the biggest LIE I have ever read on a message board.

This guy got censored for 30 days on one site, kicked off another, and now has infected this one with his BS rhetoric.

Kensdock, please PROVE the statement you just made. Show me EXACTLY how you came up with that calculation, and the EXACT references you used to determine that information. I am assuming you used the reduction tables the ASMFC uses, and inserted the number of angler that USF&W estimates for anglers in NJ vs. what MRFSS uses right? (adjusting for the different angler number of course)

Or, perhaps you took into consideration that ASMFC have traditionally used a Weibull Curve and NJ has started looking into a different method?

Did you look at the TC reports from past years that showed what our landings at 17" were with seasons far shorter than what you propose (even taking into consideration cutting our angler numbers in half) along with the projections of current and previous year classes in that size range?

I can't WAIT to hear how you came to those imaginary numbers  nts nts rofla

Ya beat me to it lol... and your response was better than mine ;D

Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Hotrod on February 27, 2010, 09:25:36 PM
Ken.. Your Beating a dead horse here.. Though I'm all for a great debate... but from here to every site you have Spammed this Crap on.   Maybe it's time to...(http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/s/surrendering-emoticon-animated-white-waving-flag.gif)

How about we talk.. say Flounder Rigs 5hrug
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: The dropoff on March 03, 2010, 02:22:01 PM
Ken.. Your Beating a dead horse here.. Though I'm all for a great debate... but from here to every site you have Spammed this Crap on.   Maybe it's time to...(http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/s/surrendering-emoticon-animated-white-waving-flag.gif)

How about we talk.. say Flounder Rigs 5hrug


This was the best  LOL LOL LOL 
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Tacklebox Joe on March 03, 2010, 07:47:08 PM
 whs

Thank you Rod.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Capt. Mike on March 03, 2010, 07:56:40 PM
If NJ would have been proactive and had a saltwater license in place this year, in addition to the many benefits of a license, there was a chance that our 2010 flounder season could have been May 1- Nov 1 with a 17" fish, 6-8 fish bag limit.

Who is this clown?  :headscra:
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Kensdock on March 03, 2010, 09:13:19 PM
Let me just add that I COMPLETELY understand the desire for the longest season possible! Fact is that it is tough to make money with restrictive bag an size limits, but it is impossible to make money in a given fishery if it is CLOSED!

I get it, believe me I do. However, if we can work the Sea Bass season to be open later in Sept., and the Fluke boats can "survive" with a season that encompasses Memorial day to Labor Day, we might (I say might) have a shot at being able to hold off extending the season to its max in Fluke and thereby hedge our bets for the future.

As I said before, for the businesses (I am not trying to speak for individuals here, I know what the anglers on our boats want, they want keepers more than more time to throw fish back) they need to determine what they feel their businesses can or cannot survive with. And, only they can decide that. I can give advice, I can tell people what has or has not worked and what has or has not happened before and what possible outcomes/consequences/benefits may come based on experience.

What I cannot do is tell them what works best for their business. As I said, only they can decide that and I will respect whatever they (meaning the various business owners) tell me. I might disagree with it, but I respect and understand all the various decisions.

I have dealt with this issue for so many years it gets frustrating to have to push for things that may help one group but will inevitably hurt another. Let's face it, since we had to lose our late September/October season a few years back, and with the size limits we are now at the shore guys are basically in a catch and release fishery, period.

The southern guys have always wanted their earliest possible season and many have told me the fall "exit" as it was put does not have the same fish available. I do not know, so I have to go by what the "experts" tell me they see in their neck of the woods.

It sucks, which is why I have spent so much time and energy with SSFFF the past 3 years. That group is the single reason we are not looking at far more severe cutbacks and /or closures in Fluke, period.


Quota had to be our number one concern. Once we get the quota back to a respectable level we need to continue fine tuning the rest of the system as it relates to Fluke.

We will continue to fight on all fronts to the best of our ability (we meaning SSFFF, UB and RFA, the ones who have always fought)
There is two estimates of NJ saltwater anglers, NOAA's about 1.2 million and the resent US fish and wildlife survey of hunters and fishermen that estimated  about 600,000 NJ saltwater anglers .NOAA uses 1.2 million when setting our flounder season options.
.Here is were I obtained my number of NJ saltwater anglers http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st5/publication/econ/MA_NJTables , I was made aware of US  F&W survey by CaptTB and Hutchjr of the RFA during a debate over a NJ saltwater license. Actually the 1.2 is a little higher and the 600,000 is a little lower. It is easy to reason, that with an accurate count of NJ saltwater anglers our flounder season could be greatly increased.
 I would have paid 25 or 30 dollars for a saltwater license this year for the chance of greatly extending our flounder season, let alone the other benefits of a NJ saltwater license.
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: CaptTB on March 04, 2010, 07:54:58 AM
And a free Salt water registry, and online registry, a $2.00 fee registry all would provide the EXACT SAME INFORMATION as a SWL.

So Ken, when are you going to back up your wild statement about fluke season till november with small size limits etc?

We are all waiting. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: IrishAyes on March 04, 2010, 07:59:01 AM
 :headscra: Perhaps we will hear the long season and great bag and size limit tonight at the meeting in Toms River. You know, like a surprise birthday party or something. Come in expecting something and they just blow you out of the water with a great surprise when you walk in. ;D
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: wb on March 04, 2010, 12:17:55 PM
no fluke here in Puerrrrrrrrto RRRRRico....  :headscra:

no snow either...............  clp


seriously we can't afford to be throwing back 18.4" fish when will it end?
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Hotrod on March 04, 2010, 10:07:56 PM
Update ( March 4th )

 Tonight The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council opted for option #1. Which gives us both holidays. May 29 - Sept.6  (6) fish at 18"
Title: Re: Summer Flounder proposals for 2010
Post by: Stray Cat on March 05, 2010, 12:55:09 AM
Thanks for the update  t^