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NJ Saltwater Fisherman => Welcome To The NJ Saltwater Fisherman => Topic started by: Capt. Ed on August 17, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
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Hi All,
It looks like a potential World Record Fluke was caught today. I hope it all works out with the IGFA.
Monica Oswald of Neptune hauled in a 38 inch, 24.3 pound fluke off Monmouth County in about 55 feet of water this afternoon.
There are some pictures floating around the internet ...
She is an excellent fisherwoman who is frequently in the Fisherman Dream boat contests.
I am sure Joe from Irish Ayes would have hooked it today if he wasn't chasing Sea Bass!
It can happen in an instant!
Capt. Ed
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Was told it was caught on a spro jig aboard Capt Jim Freda's Shore Catch Charters... But not yet confirmed.....
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Wow.. that is INSANE.I am trying to look for pictures on the net, cant seem to find any. That is ridiculouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus. She knows what shes doing. Looks like i'll be bringing my Spro Bucktails packed with some giant squid stripers and spearing tomorrow!!!!!! Fish on!!
Nice Catch to Monica.
Fish On
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Thanks For posting the picture.
I tried to call the Shore Catch people but no answer. They are all in my fishing club so I am sure we will hear all the details soon.
It is not posted on their site yet either!
Thanks Bobber!!!
Ed
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now that's a fish, congrats, wonder how old it is?
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HOLY MOLY :o :o
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whs
he she
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Hi All,
It may have been on a private boat.
It was not caught by any of the Capts. of Shore Catch.
However, the fish has been confirmed to be a potential IGFA World Record by the owner of Scott's Bait and Tackle. I say potential because all the paperwork and such must be filed.
A new target to shoot at folks!
Capt. Ed
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WOw...$$$$$$$ TT^
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Hi All,
Here is the picture from Scott's.
Thanks,
Capt. Ed
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Nice Very Nice, the demons of the deep TT^
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ALOT of baitfish will swim in peace tonight ;D
anybody know the approx age of a fluke that size?
also if anybody hears an update of the sex of the fish please post it.
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It's huge... :o :o :o
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w0w Dang thats Huge... Well guess its back to drinking since biggest i got was 4 1/2 so far this year biggest ever was 5 :'( Man that thing is huge! Nice job Monica!
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Hi All,
Determining the age of a Summer Flounder/Fluke has proved difficult to scientists. There are many methods to try to find the age from scales to calcification. All the charts that I have seen have been proved to be error prone.
Without testing, you can be sure that this fish was between 10-20 yrs. old. I say 10 yrs old with certainty from field observations and 20 yrs. old as the theoretical maximum age.
If I come across an age chart I trust, I will post it.
I am going with closer to 20 yrs. old!
Also notice how thin it was in the stomach. It could have been bigger!
Also, this fish has a 99.9% probability it is a female.
Thanks,
Capt. Ed
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Come across one of those fillets let me know TT^
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Seems to me that might be worth a t-shirt. At the very least a sticker.
I don't think I could imagine what it must be like to catch something like that. I thought the 18" fluke I caught last week was heavy.
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Thats what she said :-* :-* t^
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Nice job Monica!
Congrats and good luck with IGFA. Don't sign anything!!! Especially if the major companies offer you only a shirt or a couple of lures.
No offence Rod.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Hi All,
I totally forgot that this record was nearly 32 yrs. old (Charles Nappi in Montauk - Sept. 15, 1975).
Very cool,
Capt. Ed
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wow, hell of a picture... she should have put it in a pen at the dock and save it for next weeks tournament.. lol.. t^ ;D
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Is that big? I'm kinda new to saltwater fishing. I caught one off the tip that was 39in. and let it go. I thought is was an average size since I caught 4 over 30in that day. JuSt KiDding :P thats one heck of a fish
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Nice fish, congrats!!! TT^
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Hi All,
It may have been on a private boat.
It was not caught by any of the Capts. of Shore Catch.
However, the fish has been confirmed to be a potential IGFA World Record by the owner of Scott's Bait and Tackle. I say potential because all the paperwork and such must be filed.
A new target to shoot at folks!
Capt. Ed
yea got an email this morning that stated that Capt Jim’s good friend Scott Christensen owner of Scott’s Bait and Tackle in Bradley Beach called him and told him he had just weighed the new record fish....
ya know how it goes as word gets passed down the line and is totally different by the time 10 people have heard it....
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Hi Broken One,
Now you have something to really shoot for.
Do you know if mono or braid was used (I have read it was 65 lb. Power Pro)? And then the followup, is braid accepted by the IGFA?
I remember asking a while back but I don't remember the answer (I know mono, multifilament, and multifilament lead core qualify - is braid a multifilament?).
I thought if anyone had a chance this year it would be you as you had some real good, consistent size ...
Thanks for the post,
Ed
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Look at the standing in the fisherman.. Monica has caught some great fish over this season.. starting with a giant winter flounder and now this giant flattie.. Congats
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Wow. Now THAT is how you spell D-O-O-R-M-A-T TT^
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(MERGED)
A women bucktailed up a new world record fluke yesterday. The beast weighed in at #24.3 pounds and I believe was 38.25"s. caught in 55' of water (reportedly near the Shrewsbury Rocks) on a Spro bucktail with a stinger hook and a long squid strip.
Same woman caught a #18.1 weakfish last year.
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Look at the standing in the fisherman.. Monica has caught some great fish over this season.. starting with a giant winter flounder and now this giant flattie.. Congats
hmm...sounds fishy (pun intended)...maybe she was feeding it in her bathtub over the winter.
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Now that is every fisherperson's dream, to have a world record catch. Nice job! Congrats(http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/88.gif)
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Hi Broken One,
Now you have something to really shoot for.
Do you know if mono or braid was used (I have read it was 65 lb. Power Pro)? And then the followup, is braid accepted by the IGFA?
I remember asking a while back but I don't remember the answer (I know mono, multifilament, and multifilament lead core qualify - is braid a multifilament?).
I thought if anyone had a chance this year it would be you as you had some real good, consistent size ...
Thanks for the post,
Ed
Always knew it would be broken.... but always told people it would happen in the channels on big live as 15-18 lb fish are taken there every year now it seems.....
The one thing I have learned in this sport is...
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Nice job Monica. It is one heck of a fluke.
Sure wish that Capt. Joe of the Irish Ayes was fishing there today. TT^
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Hi Broken One,
Now you have something to really shoot for.
Do you know if mono or braid was used (I have read it was 65 lb. Power Pro)? And then the followup, is braid accepted by the IGFA?
I remember asking a while back but I don't remember the answer (I know mono, multifilament, and multifilament lead core qualify - is braid a multifilament?).
I thought if anyone had a chance this year it would be you as you had some real good, consistent size ...
Thanks for the post,
Ed
Always knew it would be broken.... but always told people it would happen in the channels on big live as 15-18 lb fish are taken there every year now it seems.....
The one thing I have learned in this sport is...
;D TT^
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Hi Broken One,
Now you have something to really shoot for.
Do you know if mono or braid was used (I have read it was 65 lb. Power Pro)? And then the followup, is braid accepted by the IGFA?
I remember asking a while back but I don't remember the answer (I know mono, multifilament, and multifilament lead core qualify - is braid a multifilament?).
I thought if anyone had a chance this year it would be you as you had some real good, consistent size ...
Thanks for the post,
Ed
Always knew it would be broken.... but always told people it would happen in the channels on big live as 15-18 lb fish are taken there every year now it seems.....
The one thing I have learned in this sport is...
never give up is a true statement.
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o@ w0w w0w I Wonder if she used GULP!!!
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Hi Pops Soul,
White SPRO tipped with a squid strip is what I was told.
Gulp! and me don't mix ...
Capt. Ed
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I recently purchased a do-it mold that makes jigs that are identical to a Spro. Got it in the mail when I was away. Made some today and painted them white. Put white hair on them. Now I see where a possible new record fish was taken on the same thing I was making. Day late and a dollar short. HEHE. Oh well, sounds like she is a good fisherperson with some of the other catches she has made. Good for her! (http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/97.gif)
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Better her (a real fisherperson) then some lucky stiff on a party boat with a rental rod who can't even spell fluke!
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Mboy, I was thinking the exact same thing. Better someone who had put in the time and effort to learn and enjoy the sport instead of someone who would find all of this meaningless.
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How ironic that a woman caught it. I am not knocking her in any way but think of the amount of men fishing compared to women. Odds say it should of been a man that caught that fish. That fact, in itself, may be the biggest compliment to her. Well done on a great catch.
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I have found that many ladies are outstanding fisherman. For the last two years the fairer sex has taken top honors on my boat for biggest bass and fluke.
When you consider the percentages of each sex that fish, I believe the ladies have the edge as far as being skillfull anglers. By far the majority of ladies that fish are more serious sportsman, compared to a smaller percentage of men. (on a whole)
Not putting the stronger sex down, but it is what it is TT^
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Better her (a real fisherperson) then some lucky stiff on a party boat with a rental rod who can't even spell fluke!
I have to agree with this as well
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Great point!
Capt. Ed
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just to add to the pot.. her cousin works on a dragger.. look close at the fish and the tail area, ???
alot of talk how this unrolling to be a false catch!
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Hi Guys,
An expert on fish inspected in Saturday.
Why so much skepticism?
Also, because she has another World Record (I believe), she must have known how much scrutiny would be placed on this event ...
How about a big congratulations until the IFGA certifies it or not ...
How about calling out Capts. that fish spots they were given without so much as a Thank-you! Two major catch reports on this site that yours truly helped and still nothing ... the Sea Girt Reef spot was my lead ... there - I said it. Man did I screw that up for myself ...
Congrats again Monica,
Capt. Ed
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Just got off the phone with the IGFA buddy of mine and no filings or word yet on the fluke. I will keep you posted.I heard the reason the gills are torn was because in order to officially weigh it she needed to rip the bucktail out. This could take time to confirm . She does have a good track record and she is a known local angler. I hope it works out for her . It definetly makes you feel like you too can catch a record fish like that one in our backyard.
It is a bad picture and alot can be pointed out against her but IGFA will decide. At some point the Captain of the boat she was on should step up to the plate and back her up???
Fish On... at the very least you now know they are out there..net or hook
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I just cant buy it. If I'm totally wrong on this, I'll stand corrected BUT, how many pics of fluke have you seen? Hundreds of thousands? When have you seen a fish that beat up from a rod and reel catch? Scales missing, bloody tail, bones almost poking through the skin toward the head. I've had fish sit in a bucket for 24 hours that didnt look that beat up.
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I just cant buy it. If I'm totally wrong on this, I'll stand corrected BUT, how many pics of fluke have you seen? Hundreds of thousands? When have you seen a fish that beat up from a rod and reel catch? Scales missing, bloody tail, bones almost poking through the skin toward the head. I've had fish sit in a bucket for 24 hours that didnt look that beat up.
maybe it fell out of the truck on the way to get it weighed in :P
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I just cant buy it. If I'm totally wrong on this, I'll stand corrected BUT, how many pics of fluke have you seen? Hundreds of thousands? When have you seen a fish that beat up from a rod and reel catch? Scales missing, bloody tail, bones almost poking through the skin toward the head. I've had fish sit in a bucket for 24 hours that didnt look that beat up.
maybe it fell out of the truck on the way to get it weighed in :P
Maybe it wouldnt fit in her car and she had to tie it to the bumper and drag it in.. 5hrug
;D
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I agree its not gonna be easy for her...I agree when you see a doormat you cant help but caress it into the net and jump for joy.On top of that fluke live a long time out of the water this looks like its been out of water for 2 days..My personal opinion and I hope Im wrong the fish looks like it was frozen and thawed or even salted hence the bones showing through the skin. Its all good and gives us a healthy debate.. 5hrug. One guy said why isnt she happy in the picture. I know I would be ;D
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As far as this angler is concerned the IGFA will have the last say and till then I have no reason to doubt Monica.
Like Capt. Ed said she is a seasoned angler who has dealt with the process before. Why put her other record in jeopardy for a what?
Happy Catching
Paul
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I personally question the quality of the camera being used for the picture more than the fish. I have had fish put in my cooler that are red on the white side and tail when we take them out to clean them. As far as the head being pulled away, someone mentioned that she had to take out the spro. I don't know if that is a fact or not. But just the massive weight pulling down on that fish would probably cause damage to the neck area.
I don't know why people have to be so sceptical when events like this happen. Everyone is throwing things out there that are 'what ifs' and 'could be's'. When there are facts reported and not assumptions, then we can make an informed conclusion.
Just my two cents.
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I agree Captain Joe I hope she gets it. It will benefit the the sport and the state of NJ in some way. I think we are all just having a little fun with this. TT^
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My first impression upon seeing the picture for the first time was - How could a seasoned angler who has a potential world record fish have let its condition deteriorate to that extent?? A fresh caught fish reasonably well cared for just doesn't look like that. I hope that I am all wet on this, however I can't help but be skeptical.
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5hrug
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Hi All,
Here are the facts:
1. There is a fish. Not too many people have ever seen a fish like this ... commercial or recreationally caught.
2. It was weighed and exceeds the current All Tackle World Record at an IGFA Certified Weigh Station (Scott's).
3. It was caught on a private boat with someone on-board!
4. She has successfully filled out the parperwork before.
5. The paperwork (including photos) takes time to complete and file.
6. It has been inspected by a marine Biologist.
All other stuff being thrown around is heresay.
For the millionth time ... congratulations Monica!
She is certainly the "best" (measured by size) Flounder Fisherman this year (Winter and Summer)! Frontpage article to follow ...
Instead of knocking one of our own, why don't we put a positive light on this. Many people from around the country (especially the East Coast) will be reading these threads in the days to come.
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Capt Ron, I agree that it may help the sport and NJ if it is certified. I don't agree that we are having fun with it. When push comes to shove, people are out and out calling her a liar and cheat. I wouldn't call that having fun. Perhaps I am taking it too seriously, but, I know I certainly wouldn't want people thinking and talking that way about me if I were to be fortunate enough to accomplish something like that. And I am certain that anyone who is bashing this lady would not want that to happen to them either.
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I say Good for her. but also it's ok to be a tad skeptical, Like a detective. right Joe. you need to consider all possibilities..
A mild debate It the most t^
I say good for her. but I sure would have taken care of that baby better ;) Like a million dollar check.. TT^
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Does anyone know what type of endorsements if any can come from a fish like that? I gotta believe some good sponsors will be calling her to endorse. Like Rod said a mild debate is good for the boards on a rainy day or should I say rainy week...
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Hi All,
Rod - I disagree. I do not question any catch that someone claims. That would be calling them a liar.
Unless there is a technical issue (were the rules of the IGFA were not followed) no one should be skeptical until the law is involved.
Folks - if this fish was not caught by her, she is open up for fraud and other charges.
Think about that ...
Capt. Ed
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I think the captain of the boat should come forward and resolve all the issue.. Hey its ahuge fish not doubt. but the care of the fish is sad..Someone wrote awhile back..
$100's in tackle
$1000's in boat payments
Hrs and hrs of prepare and time on the water
cost of a few bags of Ice $3.00!!
And yes Capt. Ed.. I think you should get reckonized for the hard work on the local areas numbers..I back that 100%
You have made my mid coast adventure a hell of a lot easier!!
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Rod, you are correct about being skeptical, but...people need to form an opinion on facts, not on, 'OH, i heard this and that. That is all I am saying.
Who here would want their name drug thru the mud on hearsay or rumor?
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Hi Joe,
I expect you to break the Striper record soon! Can we have an exclusive interview?
You are right ... there is a lot of money involved. That is cool ... but I am sure that is not why she started fishing or will continue to do so ...
For love of our sport!
Capt. Ed
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Anytime someone does good there are always those that have that Green Headed Monster steering them toward negitivity. I have seen it to many times.
Instead of being sceptical of others, be greatfull for what you have and you have done, and not worry about others.
Had a young gentleman with me this spring, came off the boat with a 24 and 26 lb Striper, never caught a legal size Striper before in his life. Was estatic until we got back to the dock and he saw another angler with 35+ lb fish, his mood drasticly changed and began questioning me as to why he didn't catch fish that big and only got little ones!
I bit my tongue big time, tried to explain the ways of the world, to no avail. Needless t say he just didn't get it.
Unless things shake out otherwise, I give my congratulations and continued success to Monica. May she catch many more!!!!
Just my 2 cents
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Anytime someone does good there are always those that have that Green Headed Monster steering them toward negitivity. I have seen it to many times.
Instead of being sceptical of others, be greatfull for what you have and you have done, and not worry about others.
Had a young gentleman with me this spring, came off the boat with a 24 and 26 lb Striper, never caught a legal size Striper before in his life. Was estatic until we got back to the dock and he saw another angler with 35+ lb fish, his mood drasticly changed and began questioning me as to why he didn't catch fish that big and only got little ones!
I bit my tongue big time, tried to explain the ways of the world, to no avail. Needless t say he just didn't get it.
Unless things shake out otherwise, I give my congratulations and continued success to Monica. May she catch many more!!!!
Just my 2 cents
AMEN!
Seems like their are an awful lot of people who are pretty upset that it wasn't THEM who caught this fish.
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Hearsay or rumors run rampant in the court of fools.
Lets have a debate, I am all for that, as long as there is something to substantiate the other sides findings.
If you have the time read the story about the Striped Bass record and what Al McReynolds' had to go through.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Rod, you are correct about being skeptical, but...people need to form an opinion on facts, not on, 'OH, i heard this and that. That is all I am saying.
Who here would want their name drug thru the mud on hearsay or rumor?
Right..
I do say congrats to her.
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Ped, I have read that report. It is a shame what some people have said about him due to nothing more than mere jealousy. Miserable people they are.
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To be honest, I'm skeptical.
Here's why in MY opinion.
There are many truely great anglers on this board, on other boards and who don't post on the internet that put hundreds of hours in each year to catch a trophy class fish of any species. Yet in less than a year's time this woman has caught a #18.1 pound weakfish (think it ties the NJ state record & is a potential line class world record), a #13.3 blackfish which set a woman's line class record, a #4.6 winter flounder this spring, a few weeks ago a near record stargazer and now this fluke. Perhaps if it wasn't in such a short time span I'd feel differently but as I said there are some truely great fisherman who have put countless hours & years into trying to catch that 1 big one and haven't come close to what she has down in 12 months.
One other thought crossed my mind, if this woman is so familiar with catching record size fish she would surely know the proper way of handling a potential record fish (not ripping/cutting a bucktail of its mouth, properly sized cooler etc.)
Not saying she didn't catch it (& props to her if she did)--all I'm saying is that to me it seems alittle dubious.
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I agree with Skolmann. Too many large and record fish by one person in such a short time. The picture of the fish looks like it is alot older than a few hours. If I caught a record fish the first place I would go is to a tackle shop to weigh it.
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Hi Twin Lights,
So am I to doubt anyone that has caught a lot of big fish in a short period of time?
By your reasoning, should I then doubt people like Phil Lidlow (Spelling - sorry?) that win/place many tournaments in a row? Or even The Broken One. I don't ... there are many people who catch big fish of many species throughout a season.
Capt. Ed
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come on ,to many large fish you never fished w/ me ,I put at least one 19 incher in the box per trip ;D.It does sound fishy but I hope it is true that she caught it
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Hi All,
I will also say one more thing ... before I give up on a "snag," I will be sure to pull the crap out of that line until it breaks.
I much too routinely break off the line without really giving it an extra pull.
Capt. Ed
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back in the day my ole man got one that was over 14 lbs he thought he was snaged and kept yanking on it until it yanked back
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Hi All,
And to those that think its easy to get a hook out of a fish that swallowed it, think again. It lodges in there tight and will not pull forward ... period. Going through the gills is no use as its on its way to the stomach.
Think of a hook going into your hand. You have to push the barb through your skin again to cut the barb and then pull it out.
Not easy,
Capt. Ed
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What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde, ;)
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Hi Capt. Bob,
That is a good one ...
Best wishes,
Ed
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How many people on this site have record size fish attached to their name?
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Ok .. so lets add to the fire..
I just check the fish and game records... the weakfish record is 18.8,, she was seven ounce shy.. And her name is not listed in any of the state records.. Second there is nothing on the website about the possible record catch???
So for now Hats off to her!!! I hope its true.. for her sake.. because I had my problem with just showing pics of trophy bass on the web!!!
good luck.. and to Capt Ed.. I hope to cath a 60lb bass, not hoping to break the record 78 and change!! This is ugly quick!!
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I believe that this will sum it up..........
It behooves every man to remember that the work of the critic is of altogether secondary importance, and that in the end, progress is accomplished by the man who does things.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Hi All,
Twin Lights - I fish for it every time I am out. Have not been fortunate enough to catch an All TAckle record. I had a potential World Record Sea BAss that I screwed up. I am fishing for a Line Class Record Sea Bass on August 31. We are video taping the trip. What is the point?
Joey G.,
Got your point.
However, the Weakfish record (All Tackle is 19.2 (not 18.2) and it is a tie - page 285 of the 2007 IGFA WOrld Record Gamefishes book).
She received a NJ Skillful Angler award for that fish. Weakfish - 18 lbs, 1 oz. caught by Monica Oswald of Neptune on August 25. Monica was fishing from a boat around Asbury Park when she landed the fish. Twelve-pound test was used with a conventional Daiwa rod and a Shimano reel. Mullet served for bait. The fish measured 33½ inches in length. Girth was unavailable.
She currently has a 4.1 Flounder and 13.3 Blackfish in the fisherman Dream Boat contest.
She landed a near NJ State record stargazer last week or so.
She landed a documented big trout.
This is all confirmed.
There would not be anything on the IGFA site as she has not completed the paperwork. You have a year to submit an All Tackle record.
60 lb. and on to the record ...
Capt. Ed
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Maybe the whip should be put down, because I think the horse is dead absent any valid information/evidence..... :o
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Hi All,
One last thing ...
I have learned more about her than I ever wanted to know.
It should not be like this ...
Capt. Ed
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Well said CaptBob. Let us wait for the facts. t^
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I will agree this is really draggin on.. Fluke season is almost over!!!
this topic had been beatin to death!
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Hi Joe,
She also has an IGFA World Line Class Record for that Weakfish ...
Weakfish Cynoscion regalis W-10 kg (20 lb) 18 lbs. 1 oz. - 8.19 kgs Asbury Park New Jersey USA 8/25/2006 Monica Oswald LC
Capt. Ed
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Yes you are correct ,, but not corect for NJ records on the weak fish
Weakfish 18 8 1986 Karl Jones Delaware Bay
straight of the website..
That's a line class record she has for te weak fish Joe.
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my only question is braid a register line class..I thought it was mono only??
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Thats a line class record she has for the weak fish Joe.
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Hi Joe,
I made the post clearer.
SHe has an IGFA World Line Class Record and a 2006 NJ State Skillful Angler award for the weakfish.
Thanks for pointing that out!
Ed
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just trying to help this debate with a little NJ history..
I just read she is claiming racoons got the the fish and it was not on ice!!
this is getting better and better
I will give all the credit on line class but fish and game website has a list of the record species!!!
Ps. Capt. Ed its ok!!! I still believe you get credit for the location best spots on the water!!
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Hi Joe,
Now the braid question is the million dollar question.
Her IGFA line class record for the weakfissh was with mono.
I have written to the IGFA and Power Pro about this on Friday. Neither has responded yet but with the weekend, they may not have had time.
I believe the rules read monofilament, multifilament and leaded multifilament.
To be recognized, braid would have to be classified as multifilament. Is it? Time will tell.
There is one other pending World record mentioned on the Power Pro site for a Hammerhead.
Can this lead to a rule change?
We will have to wait and see.
Right now, I plan to use mono for any World Record attempts. NJ State is more liberal with their definition.
Great question!
Ed
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Hi Joe,
We need to fish ... hopefully soon!
Drag pulling species for us,
Ed
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Another red flag perhaps?
Supposedly there is an article in todays (08/21) NY Newsday where she (Monica) claims that the fish is no longer available for inspection. Apparently according to this article she left it in a cooler outside where animals got to it.
I'm going to pick up a copy of Newsday on my way into the office this morning to confirm.
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About 3/4s of the way down in this article it does state that the fish had been ravaged by animals.
http://www.newsday.com/search/ny-spfish215340292aug21,0,3505343.column
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hate to be her right now, she has to walk around with her head down :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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I'm sorry teacher, my dog ate my homework!!!
Should this all be true I humbly stand corrected 5hrug
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Hi All,
So what?
If all the pictures are done and it was looked at by a Marine Biologist, she does not have to keep it. It is stupid if she does not.
This may be a credibility issue but so far ... so what?
The IGFA will be my judge ...
Capt. Ed
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Ed,
I know you are trying to stay neutral on the subject.. But as I read read more newspaper articles and statement being made.. it's getting hard to believe .. That you catch a potentail world record fluke and take such poor care of it.. You leave outside of a cooler for animals to get too. You don;t ice it!!! The story is changing all the time in the paper!!
I hope its true.. but wow is it really starting to look hard to believe.. The only true thing so far is big fluke are out there!!
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Hi Joe,
I just wrote that in an article on the front page.
The lessens I hope to learn are:
1. What is the IGFA position on braid? The IGFA and Power Pro have not responded to my emails, still. This is strange in that Power Pro claims that they will answer your questions within 24 hrs.
2. When I use stinger hooks, I think I am in compliance. It all comes down to how you hook the bait. I have to re-think even using them.
3. There are some big fish out there ...
Stay dry and warm (this weather is killing me),
Ed
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I don't see a problem. the fish was documented/inspected. I would have tried my best to keep that specimen alive and released after it was inspected. in the end the fish deserved better.
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With reference to the use of stinger hooks for potential records. The following is a direct quote off the IGFA website;
"The use of a dangling or swinging hook is prohibited."
I interpet the above to mean that if a stinger hook is attached to the main hook by a piece of mono or wire (or perhaps even the new assist style hooks) that the catch is disqualified for becoming an IGFA certified record. However, I'm not 100% sure that if a stinger hook was attached via surgical tubing (ala how bass fisherman attach a stinger hook to their spinner baits) or how I'm now attaching a stinger hook (via a swivel) is legal or not 5hrug.
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Hi Skolmann,
That is not totally correct! Swinging or dangling hooks with no bait attached are prohibited. If you have a strip bait, and it is on the primary and secondary hook, it is legal as mentioned in the rules.
The rules are strict ... I do question some new techniques that may not be covered.
Please refer to pages 3-4, amongst other places in the rules.
IGFA rules attached for reference.
Capt. Ed
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Here is the link where I took the quote from.
http://www.themarlinclub.com/IGFA-Rules.htm
Refer to item #2 in section G. Granted the title of that section is 'Hooks For Bait Fishing'--which could lead to the debate about is using a bucktail tipped with a bait strip considered to be fishing with bait or an artifical.
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In going back and re-reading section G, I noticed that in item 1 it states the following;
"For live or dead bait fishing no more than two single hooks may be used. Both must be firmly imbedded in or securely attached to the bait. The eyes of the hooks must be no less than a hook's length (the length of the largest hook used) apart and no more than 18 inches (45.72 cm) apart. The only exception is that the point of one hook may be passed through the eye of the other hook."
To be honest I'm now confused.
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Hi Skolmann,
I agree that the rules are not reader friendly. I think you would also agree they need to rewrite some sections to clearing approve or disapprove some recent techniques and equipment (i.e. braid) that are being used. Braid is such a known word and line type that they can call it our explicitly.
Be well,
Ed
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Definitely, some rules need to be re-written or at the least modified.
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Hi All,
Another picture attached below!
Thanks,
Capt. Ed
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WOW!!! Now that's a Door Mat. WELCOME
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If catching a fish on a plug with two treble hooks is ok, then the bucktail will be. Plugs have 6 or 9 hooks on them. Now, a pez despenser fluke with a tail that fell into the chum grinder should not be counted.
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Hi Mad8713,
Good one!
Ed
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w00t
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Thanks
One more.
Monica Quote from late edition.
"Find the white bronco. OJ got to my fish".
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Wow! t^
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Thanks
One more.
Monica Quote from late edition.
"Find the white bronco. OJ got to my fish".
;D
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The more that comes out about this story the more it stinks.
Now animals are blamed for eating the fish???? Holy $#@%!!! Its almost comical at this point!
I also read that the marine biologist that did the the inspection was George Costanza of Queens. Rumor has it there was a golf ball lodged in the flukes mouth. rofl
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To me the pic above looks like the hand is hiding the tail. The fish is dead no need to hold it in place. Other pic show the tail is very red like there is skin missing.
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I think the hand is squeezing the tail to get the fin rays to extend for full measurement.
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I think a lot of people have a case of the green monster named ENVY rising to the top. I have never heard anything attributed to what this lady said. All I have heard are a bunch of opinions and 'some one said that'. People are forming opinions on a picture of dubious quality. They are interpreting this picture to what pleases them.
These, to me, are not thing I want to form an opinion on. I will just sit back and let the powers to be do their research and make their determination. They are up close to this event and have facts, not rumors.
That's my two cents. Thanks for listening.
Joe
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whs
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I think a lot of people have a case of the green monster named ENVY rising to the top. I have never heard anything attributed to what this lady said. All I have heard are a bunch of opinions and 'some one said that'. People are forming opinions on a picture of dubious quality. They are interpreting this picture to what pleases them.
These, to me, are not thing I want to form an opinion on. I will just sit back and let the powers to be do their research and make their determination. They are up close to this event and have facts, not rumors.
That's my two cents. Thanks for listening.
Joe
Research? That went out the door when she caught this 'animal' ravaging the monster fluke in her backyard...luckily this time she had her camera... :P
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/kbock69/Sasquatch.jpg)
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I did not see anywhere where SHE said an animal got to the fluke. This is exactly what I am talking about. Where did this information come from? Where did ANY of the information come from? Someone said an animal got to the fish. I don't know that it was this lady who said that.
If anyone has REAL information, I would like to see that. Not, someone said...
Until then...
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BTW, I am in no way defending her. I am defending the premise that someone reportedly made a nice catch and very few are willing to accept that.
God forbid if anyone who is bashing this lady caught something like that and got bashed because of mis-information...
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I did not see anywhere where SHE said an animal got to the fluke. This is exactly what I am talking about. Where did this information come from? Where did ANY of the information come from? Someone said an animal got to the fish. I don't know that it was this lady who said that.
If anyone has REAL information, I would like to see that. Not, someone said...
Until then...
Check out this article...it mentions what has subsequently happened to the fish towards the end or the article...
www.newsday.com/search/ny-spfish215340292aug21,0,3505343.column
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HookAFattie,
I did see that article. That is another one of the things I am talking about. She ceased giving interviews on Sunday morning. Sunday night word got out the fish was ravaged by an animal. WHO PUT THAT WORD OUT? It certainly wasn't her, not if she stopped giving interviews prior to that.
BTW, welcome to the site. t^
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HookAFattie,
I did see that article. That is another one of the things I am talking about. She ceased giving interviews on Sunday morning. Sunday night word got out the fish was ravaged by an animal. WHO PUT THAT WORD OUT? It certainly wasn't her, not if she stopped giving interviews prior to that.
BTW, welcome to the site. t^
Thanks for the welcome. ;D
As far as the 'fish story', you can believe what you want to believe ... I wanted to believe ... and did for the first couple of days... but from all that I have heard (and haven't heard) and after giving it alot of thought...I am skeptical whether or not it's legit. Nice size fish though, however it was caught! :P
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Always the skeptic huh Kieth? ;)
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I think the hand is squeezing the tail to get the fin rays to extend for full measurement.
Wouldn't it make more sense and more accurate to make sure the head was lined up properly since it's hanging off? >:D
I know people that were there when it was weighed in asked to see the fish closely and she refused to show them the underside or a second look. In itself means nothing, but with all the other shadey stuff going on, makes it a little tough to swallow.
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Always the skeptic huh Kieth? ;)
Always? No way man, I wanted to believe! I did, I did!
'There is too much fraudulatin' going on these days.'
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/kbock69/FlavPuzzled.jpg)
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Flava Flave says "OWWWWW"!
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OWWWWWW BOUYYYYYYYYYYYYY TT^
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I was all for giving her the credit do and seeing how things shake out.......but there is that old chesnut "where there is smoke there is fire"
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But what if the fire was started by arsons?
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This is a post from another site. Barnegat Fishing Hole. In particular check page 2, the post from 'the Broken Road'. It sounds to me like he is affiliated with the Fisherman mag. Perhaps Tuesday will be the day to look for more info.
Joe
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Thanks Joe for the good information.
I hope Monica makes it through this one and proves every doubter wrong.
GO MONICA!!!
Happy Catching
Paul
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Last time I will post about this topic. If she is as big of fisherman as everyone says, she is online and reading all the forums about herself. It is time for a statement. If it was me and all the endorcments were on the line, I would be on the phone with the fisherman, saltwater sportman, or espn. If I had to I would have them give polygraph and shut everyone up. Lets get this overwith and prove everyone wrong. I really would like to see nj have the world record fluke. I hope she doesn't catch a 32 pound bluefish next week
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Last time I will post about this topic. If she is as big of fisherman as everyone says, she is online and reading all the forums about herself. It is time for a statement. If it was me and all the endorcments were on the line, I would be on the phone with the fisherman, saltwater sportman, or espn. If I had to I would have them give polygraph and shut everyone up. Lets get this overwith and prove everyone wrong. I really would like to see nj have the world record fluke. I hope she doesn't catch a 32 pound bluefish next week
I totally agree with you. I would also like to see the record broken, but by a fisherman not a dragger...
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whs
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Just figured I would throw in a funny picture to break up some of the detective work done on this post. Fluke fishing, so easy a caveman can do it. :P
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This is a post from another site. Barnegat Fishing Hole. In particular check page 2, the post from 'the Broken Road'. It sounds to me like he is affiliated with the Fisherman mag. Perhaps Tuesday will be the day to look for more info.
Joe
Interesting. Alright, I am backing off....I hope she did catch it..and if she did, I hope there is a way she can prove it once and for all so she does not always have to deal with and hear negativity from the 'skeptics'.
:P
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Its still a fire
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Someone find the article in the APP today??
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Hi Joe,
I did not see it in Hook, Line and Sinker. I did not read every article yet. I did not see any bold headlines.
Ed
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Not yet Joey, I just checked online and did not see anything. No APP papers in my hometown, they sell out on Friday's before 6am. Going to boat this afternoon and should find an APP paper there.
If anybody finds anything, please post.
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Hi Joe,
YES!
It is in the Sports section (Section C). The title is, "Rumors arise about potential record Fluke" by Karen Wall.
To be read later,
Ed
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Hi All,
That fish has a high probability of being recognized as at least a NJ State record and probability an IGFA World Record.
1. The inspector saw no signs of it being from a dragger.
2. It was fresh as the gills were red and the eyes not sunk.
3. She will have to undergo a pre-emptive polygraph by The Fisherman.
4. She did a stupid thing by leaving the fish in the cooler ... that is that.
Let's see if she takes the polygraph.
Ed
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I joined this forum to give my take on this issue of the record fish. I am an avid fisherperson and put in serious hours.
I need not accuse Monica of cheating. I'll never know. Monica might be a great person for all I know or a bad person, I don't care. What I do know is that the fish in question is the worst looking fluke I've ever seen weighed in on the same day it was caught. I've laid flounder on the decks for over 12 hours, iced them for days, refrigerated them and even frozen them. None has came out like that. The neck is terrible, but the entire fish looks like it was drug behind a car on asphault. The gills remaining red can happen even on an old or frozen fish so that is not the smoking gun of innocence.
We have no picture of it alive - which would end this so all we have is the pictures when it was hung up shortly after the catch at the weigh station. Did she say how long it took from the catching of it to get to the weigh-in?
We've had experienced commerical and former commercial trawlers/netters on all the forums say that the fish certainly could be a netted fish. So one hopeful guy from the IGFA says otherwise and we are going to ignore all the intelligence the internet brings? A picture speaks a thousand words friends.
And has their been an answer to the neck happening from a bucktail being ripped out or the hanging on the scale? And if so, why did she say the throat was mutilated from the bucktail if that was not the case?
Folks there are too many mistakes here to have the fish accepted for a record or the Fisherman Contest. If accepted, I totally believe the organizations will look silly and public trust in their programs will be questioned.
As for the polygraph, it means nothing. People pass them all the time. Many times they come out inconclusive. Court doesn't make them admissable for a reason. The pictures of the fish are the key for me most others.
"Big Mistake" I was reading. It would be a mistake to certify this fish. There were too many mistakes in the dealings of this fish and the camera is the proof. I don't know if she cheated and that doesn't matter, but you brought something to the scale that was uncared for.
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Hey Fishing. Welcome aboard.
I have remained Mum on most of this. But I will agree, there were some pretty careless actions on her part with such a fish as that.
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Thanks for the welcome Hotrod. You see my point, Maybe she caught it, maybe she didn't. Doesn't matter and none of the other stuff matters. Condition warrants diqualification.
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Hi Fishing,
Welcome to the site ...
You have valid points. However, this fish will be certified as a record in NJ and most likely by the IGFA as a world All Tackle record. It will be debated for a long time.
How about someone go and beat it (with video evidence) so we can move on to something else.
Thanks for your point of view,
Ed
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Thanks for the welcome Ed.
I'm not so sure it's a guarantee they'll certify it. But the quotes from the guy who looked at it sounded positive. Honestly, it doesn't exactly make me respect the criteria when the fish's appearance is of that. The Fisherman Contest can do as they please though.
I agree with Ed, someone go beat it and a simple picture with it alive will work for me and weigh it in before it looks like hers.
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Well, let's all be 100% perfect. This is life. Nothing is perfect. Yes, the fish was not in pristine condition, but what does that matter? What matter is; did she catch it or didn't she catch it. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think everyone picking at this with a fine tooth comb is rediculous. Let her have her due. Let someone else catch a larger fish and I guarantee there will be the same damn controversity. But maybe this time the fish will look too good to be true.
Too many things went wrong? To many things don't add up? Mostly everything that I have read, expecially on the internet, is nothing more than hearsay. Nothing that I have heard from the non-believers is fact. Show me your FACTS, not something that someone heard!
BTW, welcome to the site Fishing. t^
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What does a still picture of a fish alive look like thats different when its an hour or two dead?
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What does a still picture of a fish alive look like thats different when its an hour or two dead?
They can tell by the color of the gills and the eyes on how long a fish has been dead for. I am not sure what particulars they look for though, but I think that the redder the gills are, the fresher it is and the eyes sink in there head after they have been dead for a while.. I am sure Capt. Ed can enlighten us more on this topic since he is a fishing encyclopedia
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Hi All,
The IGFA has received the paperwork to certify Monica's Fluke and will make a determination within the next 2 months or so.
Just wanted to keep you all up to date!
Capt. Ed
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The questions, arguments and suspicion will most likely never totally go away.....if it is certified so-be-it, if not so-be-it.
We probably all now someone who was recognised for something that they did not deserve, but unless you can prove it nothing will be done.
The thing that really tic's me is the way this trophy was treated, it is a crying shame. The fish truly deserved better :'( :'(
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Hi Capt. Bob,
Well put!
Ed
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t^
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The thing that really tic's me is the way this trophy was treated, it is a crying shame. The fish truly deserved better :'( :'(
On this I could not agree more.
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Did anyone else get to the read the article in Sunday's edition of the Newark Star Ledger?
Pretty much rehashed everything. The one theme of the article that I took exception to was the way it went on about how all the criticism and furry over the catch was made because a woman caught the fish. Let me go on the record here & now, my belief that this is a tainted record has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that a woman caught this fish. If a man caught it and had the similar circumstances surrounding it as well as past catches I would feel the same way.
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What matter is; did she catch it or didn't she catch it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well put Joe - I couldn't agree more! It amazes me how many Monday mourning quarterbacks there are. I think this issue has been beat to death.
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Whhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaatt??????? cfzd
Now that's EXCITING. Monica, please tell me if you did get the world record. I am envisioning butter, garlic, and forget the side dishes, who can wait that long to broil that delicious fish.
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Hi folks,
New member here and i have to say that is some fluke. My wife landed one about Tampa 12lbs years ago fishing off east rockaway NY. We now live in Tampa bay Florida. The fishing down here is good but i sure wish i was back in your area fishing for striper's blues blackfish and all the rest. I am a manager for a fishing pier in st.Pete Florida called the skyway fishing piers its a fun job been here eleven years and we get lots of anglers from Jersey come here on vacation and fish the pier for grouper king mackerel snook and more. I have lots of pics on my web site bigmikesforum.com I will be checking with the your site admin. about linking my site to your so we could share some info with your members. Tightlines everybody and great web site.
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Welcome Aboard Capt. BigMike,
I have fished that pier many times as we had a condo at Isla Del Sol years ago. Woke up many mornings looking over Boca Ciega Bay as my back yard watching the dolphins feeding. When I was much younger mu grand parents lived on Melton St North and I spent most of my summers there fishing the St. Pete Pier as well as swimming at Pass A Grill.
I wish I had that condo right now... :'(
Again Welcome Aboard
Happy Catching
Paul