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Title: Fall stripers
Post by: bossross on September 11, 2007, 12:52:54 PM
Folks,
First off, I want to thank you all for sharing your stories and advice all summer, my 8yr old and I are new to fishing and I picked up a lot of terrific information on this site all summer and it made for some terrific fluke fishing. My little guy is definately hooked (I'm not doing bad either!). Seeing him snag bunker is worth the price of admission even if we never caught anything else. He loves it.

I am really wanting to get into the stripers. Any advice on when they start, what are the best bait(s) and techniques would be really appreciated.

Thx
Ross
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Capt. Ed on September 11, 2007, 02:13:16 PM
Hi BossRoss,

Welcome to the site and I am glad that you have been able to catch well this year! Great that your son is involved with the sport. Please stay tuned to more "kid-centric" activities in the future.

OK ... another great question.

As you know the three main stocks of Stripers migrate in a clockwise fashion (more north to south in the Fall). They are driven by bait and water temperature. The past few years have had decent Fall/Winter Striper fishing, mainly from boats. The fish have been travelling to their "over-wintering" grounds more offshore (especially past the three mile zone that makes it illegal to target them).

What we need is a slow, orderly cooling of the water. We also have to hope for a nice run of baitfish such as mullet, bunker (peanuts and large) and hopefully sand eels. I think that west winds hurt this fishery, but that is merely my opinion.

I would (and I will try to keep everyone alert) pay attention to what is happening in Montauk. That is a good gauge if the fish are moving south. The area that I expect to turn on first around here is the Raritan Bay (and to its east). I would also expect the Cape May area to be into fish as well.

So, what do we need to consider:

1. Are the fish on the move?
2. Please remember that there are resident in the area to target. It also appears that the resident population is increasing.
3. Hope for a prolonged cooling trend.
4. Hope that the fish stay within the three mile limit.
5. If you have a boat, you may have to keep the boat in the water for a while. Some of the best fishing last year occurred in December.
6. Think about using eels near jetties.
7. Think about clams off the surf just before and after a NE blow.
8. I tend to try to jig a lot of these fish with Ava 47s and Deadly Dicks.
9. Pray the Blues give us a chance ... they can surely dominate a feeding ground.

Right now it is too early to guess what may happen. To me, everything seems to be running a few weeks late this year. If I head to bet, probabilities tell me that we will have a late Fall run with small to medium size fish that can be taken primarily on jigs but do not rule out worms/eels/clams in certain areas.

We will keep you up-to-date.

Right now, there are chances for large Bluefish, False Albacore, Bonito, croakers, Sea Bass and Porgies. Hopefully the weakfish will show (as they usually do) in mid to late September.

I am sure sharpies are into some of the resident Stripers (especially at night) on the Shrewsbury Rocks.

Thanks for the post,

Capt. Ed
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on September 11, 2007, 02:15:15 PM
nice to have you hear...  The fall run didn't start yet...  Live bunker, eeling at early morning and evenings, and trolling stretch's and bunker spoons are the fall meathods.  NOW, the where abouts have yet to be determined since the run didn't start yet, but as the season progresses, you will get many updates and reports that will help you with any other questions.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: gregman1069 on September 11, 2007, 09:43:32 PM
I haven't been out in a while-my fishing time has not been used wisely-I've been helping a buddy on his job after work. I've been hearing some jumping in the channels behind one of our houses in Avalon. I always thought this was striper activity. I will be done helping my friend soon and hope to get my lines wet this week or next. Keep an eye on The Avalon Fishing Report for my conquests
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 11, 2007, 11:54:24 PM
Hi bossross,

I am glad that you have taken the initiative to post and ask questions. 

The fall run has always been the event of the year at least for me.  I do a lot of surf fishing and have enjoyed many years of unexpectedly good fishing during this time of year.  Yes it gets cold out there but when the fish are here the adrenalin is running and the cold is an after thought.

Besides a good Thermos of hot chocolate helps as well.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: CapBob on September 12, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
Boss Ross

Capt Ed pretty much nailed it down for you....I would also add a 5-7 oz crippled herring in chrme or chrome/blue....deadly

I to love Fall fishing the best, good luck
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 12, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
I look foward to fall jigging every year.

I don't leave the house for any jig trip without having a supply of the following jigs;

1-Tubeless AVA 047s, 067s and a few 087s (these are great to have when you're fishing deep or if the current/drift is very fast).

2-5 and 7 ounce Krocodile spoons in chrome, white (some call this pattern Barbie) and prism.

3-5 ounce Crippled Herring in white and blueback.

I also carry small size AVA jigs (especially early in the fall when bonito and false albacore are still around), Jacky Jigs, Yo-Zuri jigs, Barefoot Jigs and Braid Jigs.

I'll also bring a M or MH spinning rod to throw topwater plugs (if the fish are on top), Storm Wild Eyes and leadheads with a shad body (these were very effective in white last season).

Just a note on how I like to rig up for jigging. I'll take the end section of my main line and using a spider hitch create a double line. Next using a No-Name (AKA Bristol) knot connect a 4' piece of #20 (for jigs under 5 ounces or #25 (for jigs over 5 ounces). I'll use either regular mono or flurocarbon-whatever I have handy at the time. If I'm using an AVA or Crippled Herring I'll use an improved clinch knot to connect the lure to the leader-otherwise I use a Homer-Rhodes Loop knot (this gives the lure-especially a Krocodile spoon more action). I rarely if ever have a break off and with all but the biggest bass or bluefish I'm able to swing aboard.

Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on September 12, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
I look foward to fall jigging every year.

I don't leave the house for any jig trip without having a supply of the following jigs;

1-Tubeless AVA 047s, 067s and a few 087s (these are great to have when you're fishing deep or if the current/drift is very fast).

2-5 and 7 ounce Krocodile spoons in chrome, white (some call this pattern Barbie) and prism.

3-5 ounce Crippled Herring in white and blueback.

I also carry small size AVA jigs (especially early in the fall when bonito and false albacore are still around), Jacky Jigs, Yo-Zuri jigs, Barefoot Jigs and Braid Jigs.

I'll also bring a M or MH spinning rod to throw topwater plugs (if the fish are on top), Storm Wild Eyes and leadheads with a shad body (these were very effective in white last season).

Just a note on how I like to rig up for jigging. I'll take the end section of my main line and using a spider hitch create a double line. Next using a No-Name (AKA Bristol) knot connect a 4' piece of #20 (for jigs under 5 ounces or #25 (for jigs over 5 ounces). I'll use either regular mono or flurocarbon-whatever I have handy at the time. If I'm using an AVA or Crippled Herring I'll use an improved clinch knot to connect the lure to the leader-otherwise I use a Homer-Rhodes Loop knot (this gives the lure-especially a Krocodile spoon more action). I rarely if ever have a break off and with all but the biggest bass or bluefish I'm able to swing aboard.


when your jigging, what is your method..  Cast and real, cast drop to bottom and occasionally lift, cast and slow retrieve, etc...
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 12, 2007, 01:00:23 PM
I'll cast (flip) out and allow the jig to hit the bottom. I'll make anywhere from 3-6 bumps off the bottom with a slow lift before starting my retrieve back in. I'll vary the speed of the retrieve until I see what the fish response to. Sometimes I'll stop my retrieve mid way and let the jig fall back a few feet.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on September 12, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
much different then fishing for bluefish..   I usually jig for bluefish, weakfish, and fluke, never did it for stripers and I know that the technique varies alot depending on the fish.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 12, 2007, 03:02:37 PM
When jigging for bass you want a slower/softer action to your jig than when bluefishing.

With bluefish jigging you want to cast out and 'burn' it back to you. With bass you cast it out and bounce the jig off the bottom similar to bouncing a bucktail for fluke.

After several bounces and no hits you begin a slow to moderate retrieve back. There are some days when all your hits will be when the jig is bouncing of the bottom and other days when all your strikes occur during the retrieve.

It is very important that when jigging you fall the jig down with your rod tip as the vast majority of your hits will come as the jig is falling back.

Just as a side note, when using a Krocodile spoon I found that most of my action comes on a slow retrieve as the big spoon wobbles back and forth seductively. I've had bass follow the lure all the way to the surface and strike just before I pull it out of the water. I've also had bass follow it to the surface and not strike but then I'll put my reel in free spool and as the lure quickly falls the bass light up and attack it. Pretty cool to witness.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on September 12, 2007, 03:23:04 PM
When jigging for bass you want a slower/softer action to your jig than when bluefishing.

With bluefish jigging you want to cast out and 'burn' it back to you. With bass you cast it out and bounce the jig off the bottom similar to bouncing a bucktail for fluke.

After several bounces and no hits you begin a slow to moderate retrieve back. There are some days when all your hits will be when the jig is bouncing of the bottom and other days when all your strikes occur during the retrieve.

It is very important that when jigging you fall the jig down with your rod tip as the vast majority of your hits will come as the jig is falling back.

Just as a side note, when using a Krocodile spoon I found that most of my action comes on a slow retrieve as the big spoon wobbles back and forth seductively. I've had bass follow the lure all the way to the surface and strike just before I pull it out of the water. I've also had bass folow it to the surface and not strike but then I'll put my reel in free spool and as the lure quickly falls the bass light up and attack it. Pretty cool to witness.
great tip, thanks for posting.  This season I will try the jig along with live lining..  The diamond jigs, use with no tube, is that correct.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 12, 2007, 03:47:53 PM
Some guys like having tubing on their Diamond/AVA jigs-usually a dark red or wine color. I've always prefered no tubing. In fact I don't think I own any AVAs with tubing on them.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: fnsmag on September 13, 2007, 09:33:59 AM
2-5 and 7 ounce Krocodile spoons in chrome, white (some call this pattern Barbie) and prism.

Where do you get white Krocs from?
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on September 13, 2007, 10:25:22 AM
Some guys like having tubing on their Diamond/AVA jigs-usually a dark red or wine color. I've always prefered no tubing. In fact I don't think I own any AVAs with tubing on them.
when bluefishing, I always use the tubing...  it adds a nice touch...  stripers, I will probably use your advice and not use it.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 13, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
2-5 and 7 ounce Krocodile spoons in chrome, white (some call this pattern Barbie) and prism.

Where do you get white Krocs from?

Cheapest place I found is the Cabela's website. Although I'm sure any good tackle shop will have some.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 13, 2007, 03:18:50 PM
Some guys like having tubing on their Diamond/AVA jigs-usually a dark red or wine color. I've always prefered no tubing. In fact I don't think I own any AVAs with tubing on them.
when bluefishing, I always use the tubing...  it adds a nice touch...  stripers, I will probably use your advice and not use it.

Yes, when simply targeting bluefish-jigs with tubes work.

With that being said, I'm thinking of doing a bluefish jig trip this coming Sunday and I'll be using tubeless AVAs.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: CapBob on September 13, 2007, 04:21:23 PM
Best that i have fund and have my guys do it hit the bottom, bounce 4-6 times take 3-4 cranks and bounce 4-5 times working the water column all the way up.....works like a charm TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: bossross on September 13, 2007, 05:18:26 PM
Great information guys, thanks! One question though, what are the best conditions to look for (for both blue fish and stripers), water depth, structure, time of day, etc...
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on September 13, 2007, 05:46:39 PM
what are the best conditions to look for (for both blue fish and stripers), water depth, structure, time of day, etc...

One of the best indicators is diving, working birds. Swirls, fish busting on the surface another good thing to see. If the fish are deep, keep an eye on your depth finding until it lights up like a x-mas tree (although you don't necessarily need that-even a few marks along the bottom can yield good fishing) and just working around schools of bait.

I like getting out at first light. a NW wind is also a good thing to have
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Reel Class on September 22, 2007, 10:53:26 AM
Just my $.02 here.

Jigging can be done in a multitude of ways.  You can yo-yo it on the bottom, you work the middle of the water column, you can work the top, and you can butterfly jig which is entirely different.

Typically we start jigging as soon as the fish start moving and the bait starts moving, which usually happens in late September-early October.

You should look at the fall jig season in three phases, the early, the middle, and the late (makes sense right LOL)

Early on its a mix of bluefish, weakfish, albacore, and the occasional bass. 

If you head out in this time period, and see birds going nutzo and the water is wipped to a froth by bluefish, you can do 1 of 2 things.  Cast the jig into the foray, and reel it back at a high rate and you should be "on" with a bluefish (or an albie)within seconds.  For bass and weakfish in this scenario, get it under the bluefish and work the bottom by yo-yoing it; that is letting it hit the bottom, and smartly lifting your rod to around the 12 o'clock position.

As the water cools, it'll become more of a bluefish-bass game; this usually takes place by mid to late October once we start getting real cool nights and the water starts dropping.

You will still see birdplay, but you'll also see a lot of fish on the machine with less bird play - those are typically bass.  Again, work the bottom like I said above.

As the fall progresses and you get closer to winter, bluefish thin out and its mostly bass.  Surface action again will pick up with birds, but no white water - if its bass you're more likely to see fish rolling and boiling through bait like herring, so again with this situation fish are on top, so casting out the jig and reeling it back to the boat should reward you with bass.  To target LARGER fish, work the bottom!  This time of year it also pays off to have a few bags of jumbo storm shads on the boat, casting them out into the rolling patches of bass under birds, and using a very slow retrieve will reward you with fish!

I could go on forever, but just to close this reply jigs you MUST have in your box are:

2-5 oz. chrome, mackerel, and chatreuse/green crippled herrings for working the bottom

AVA jigs, 17's, 27's, 47's and 67's with no tail and dark red or green tails

3-7 oz. Krocodile spoons in chrome, and preferably with that treble hook being replaced by a single large siwash hook

A few packs of the 5" storm shads in bunker colors

Sassy Shads with jig heads in chartreuse, white, or bunker color

Hopkins shorties in various sizes for speed jigging

It doesn't hurt to have some tiger tails or banana's in your jig box either, they still work!

Hope this helps... t^

Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on September 22, 2007, 11:38:20 AM
Awesome Capt Allen!!  t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Reel Class on September 23, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
one other thing I didn't mention was reading bluefish vs. bass on the depth finder.

Bluefish typically show up in small sprinkles if schooled up, showing up less dense then other fish.  Blues will be in dense schools, but you won't see the density in their marks as opposed to a bass.

Bass on the other hand, if you have a color scope, will show up as a much more dense fish and will appear to look more like a fish, and will be more spread out.

Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 23, 2007, 11:35:52 PM
Wow the information here is fantastic.  Thanks guys

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Capt Craig on October 04, 2007, 03:01:31 PM
The only other way to catch Striper's that I have not seen anybody talk about in this session is CHUNKING. Using FRESH BUNKER and sitting on the anchor. I stress FRESH BUNKER. the freshest you can find.

Find some structure like the edge of a drop into a slough. Ride over the area and see if you mark bait or fish. If you do, drop the hook.

I'll use fish finder rigs. Put on a slide with enough weight to hold bottom. Depends on the current. Use about a 9/0 or 10/0 hook. I use circle hooks. But if you rather use J hooks that's fine.

The length of your leader will depend on how hard the current is moving. I have used leaders as short as about 18" and as long as about 3'. Mono. or Floro. I have used both I personally can't say one has out fished the other.

The bait has got to be laying on the bottom. If you have lots of current and a long leader the bait will come up off the bottom and will spin. There is not a Bass in the world that will touch that offering.

Cut your bunker into thirds. Head, middle and tail. The head is the best part of the bait but the middle works well too. As for the tail, I dice it up and will toss it over as chum. Your just trying to entice the fish not feed them.

I'll use 6 rods. Once you have baited them cast one long the next keep short the next long the next short etc.

I keep the reels locked up. I have found that the Bass will usually come up and gulp the bait down. Once the fish has picked up the bait have my people start cranking. This sets the hook then they can pick up the rod and hold on. If you are using J hooks don't forget to set the hook. GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on October 04, 2007, 03:03:17 PM
very nice advice.. thanks..
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on October 04, 2007, 05:57:22 PM
Great post Capt Craig t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: SouthPaw on October 04, 2007, 06:06:53 PM
Lots of jigging and Chunking info on this topic thanks to everyone.  TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: wb on October 04, 2007, 06:22:23 PM
Lots of jigging and Chunking info on this topic thanks to everyone.  TT^

 whs  My best striper catching involves homemade plugs similar to stretch's trolled in the Rip usually right at or after dusk. Obviously you need to be courteous out there as it can get crowded. The key is gettin the plugs set so they are swimming naturally along w/ all the other usuals- drag set properly, a bit of patience, etc. Multiple hookups this way when the fish are in they can't resist. For rigging we used to use Monel wire leaders but they can be a real pain in the a$$. Many years ago an old salt friend showed me the ropes and he always had us hooked up--very grateful for that. I may have to look him up again as we have lost touch over the years. Can't wait to try again and also try some of these ideas.. this thread is awesome...
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: gregman1069 on October 09, 2007, 08:42:03 PM
Down in Avalon it rained this afternoon and man did it cool off nicely afterwards. COME ON, FALL! WE'RE ALL WAITIN' ;D t^ TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on October 09, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
It can't come soon enough.

I only hope its not to late.

We'll see the new moon is this weekend so keep your fingers crossed.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: mboy on October 09, 2007, 08:50:26 PM
I never had success on the hook, ALWAYS drifting- whether I was chunking or live lining big adult bunkers.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: TurboDan on October 10, 2007, 08:14:01 PM
How do you guys usually catch stripers in the ocean?  Do you head to specific locations (wrecks/obstructions) or just try your luck off the beaches?

I know for sea bass, you need structure.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Capt Craig on October 11, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
TurboDan, You can catch Stripers by jigging a bucktail with a fin-ess on it or curly tail, whatever. You can jig metal or Clam for the Bass drag live eels or even troll. Myself the first thing I do is head to structure.

 When I speak of structure I mean lumps and drops that are inside 3 miles. In my area down here in SNJ the kind of structure you mentioned like wrecks is all out beond 3 miles. You can not fish for or retain Striped Bass beond 3 miles.

When I am heading to the lump I am going to fish I keep my eyes on the fish finder as much as on the horizin. I am looking for fish and bait on the screen and I am looking for Bird action over the water. If I see birds going off feeding on bait then something has chased the bait to the surface. The birds mark the spot. If the screen lights up yet no birds I'll stop and start with metal then go to a Bucktail if needed or even eels or clam then drift the area.

If I see bird play I will pull up EASY and as close as I can BUT WITH out DISTURBING THE ACTION. I'll get on the up wind side of the frenzy so I will drift back into it. In this case I will usually use metal jigs and bounce them along the bottom straight up and down. If no respounce from the fish I'll try a bucktail and cast into the bait and let my bait hit the bottom and work it SLOWLY back. Then you can try eels or clams if you have them.

Last but not least if all else fales I'll troll using Umberella riggs or streatch"s

Hope this hepls. Good luck





Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: TedSki on October 12, 2007, 07:22:32 PM
Forgive me if this is a dumb question...

If I was to go jig for stripers from the beach... what sort of rod should I be using?  I hear some of the guys here saying you don't need a long surf rod because the fish are in close most of the time.  My choices of gear:

7' M Ugly Stik BWS 1100 with Shimano Baitrunner
7' M Shimano CP30B Offshore Boat spinning combo
10' Penn Power Stick spinning combo surf rod
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: gregman1069 on October 12, 2007, 11:10:29 PM
Tedski you should always remember this-
There aren't any dumb questions-just dumb people.

I have a 9' rod with an Okuma reel and have yet to take it to the surf. I also would like to know what to use.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Luna Sea 5 on October 12, 2007, 11:14:04 PM
Stripers can be caught over structure, lumps, tidal rips, rocks, Channel edges and also anywhere along the Beaches for the fall run.  Also, look for bait.  If you see working birds hovering over bait, most likely there are stripers under them as well.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: TurboDan on October 13, 2007, 01:11:13 PM
Wow!  This is quite possibly the best thread I've ever read on an Internet forum.  Went to Reel Life B&T this morning and bought a 4oz blue/chrome crippled herring.  Will be using that a little later today closer to dusk, although I might cast it out a few times in the afternoon near the PP Canal entrance just for kicks and see if anything hits.

The one thing I discovered is that I gotta get a stronger test on my spinning reels.  Obviously, my conventionals are set up for doormats, but my spinning reels are pretty light for weaks.  I'm going to be using a 9' surf rod from the boat today (just hoping to make smaller casts with it), so we'll see how that works out.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on October 13, 2007, 01:19:56 PM
Good Luck,

Like I mentioned in as earlier thread this morning, all the pieces are starting to line up for a good weekend of fishing.

The air temp is dropping, the sea temp is dropping, the barometer is rising, and it is a new moon.  If you go at dusk make sure you have some dark colored plugs to throw because with no moon visible it will be darker than normal.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: bossross on October 31, 2007, 10:07:56 PM
Caught my first Striper this week!! Was off of Asbury in about 5 feet of water, using a popper. Cast towards the jetty, retrieved slowly and BAM, it was great. Twas a shorty (22") so it was safely and promptly released. But what a blast. I am totally hooked now....thanks to all the great replies to this thread, you've given me a real education.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on October 31, 2007, 10:14:38 PM
Cool Ross t^

Thanks For the kind words.  These boys love to help TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: IrishAyes on October 31, 2007, 10:17:19 PM
Good job Ross.  It only gets better from here!  (http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/energizer-smileys-51935/friends1.gif)

A few more stripers...keepers...NO SLEEP - because you are on the beach till the wee hours of the morning.    thud

It doesn't get any better than that.  TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: bossross on October 31, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Thanks Capt Joe.

Here's another ques for you...I know I've read on this forum about the anchor that you use to anchor over structure (made of rebar) but I can't seem to find the thread. What are those called and where can I get one? A friend took me blackfishing and now I'm determined to learn to do that too.

Thanks
Ross
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: IrishAyes on October 31, 2007, 10:35:32 PM
Is this the one you want?

http://njsaltwaterfisherman.com/forums/index.php?topic=657.0
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: bossross on October 31, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
Exactly....Thank you.

Ross
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: seameister on June 10, 2008, 11:23:00 PM
Hey guys!
I have some question too.
How do u use diamond jigs (A47) on surf or on jetties?
Where can i find good jetties?
What is the best method to fish for bass on surf in summer?
Thanx!
Seameister    ::)
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on June 10, 2008, 11:57:38 PM
Hi seameister,

I guess thats my cue, Sit back and get ready to learn son.  Only kidding, I always wanted to say that.

All kidding aside.  You are in a very good spot to try your luck for stripers.  But you will have to do your homework and put your time in.  It won't be cheap to get started so go slow and work your way into it.
y
First before I get into what to use what kind of rod and reel do you use for the surf.  This is important because in order to throw metal and plugs you might have to have a couple of outfits

For heavy plugs in the area of 3 and over oz a good 10 to 11' rod rated for over 6 oz would work great.  If you have ever heard the expression of 8 & bait they are talking about an 8 0z sinker plus the bait usually a good size bunker head with at least a 10/0 circle hook.  Inorder to throw that kikng of load you need some serious equipment.

For what you are looking for a good 10 to 11' rod and a good reel I use a 10'-6' Tica Dolphin Surf series with a Penn 560 Slammer and 30# Power Pro braid line.  You can throw the AVA47's a mile with that outfit and have a good time, plus clip on a 3oz popper and still be able to get it out to where the big cows live.  Sorry that is a misnomer you can find any fish right at your feet as well.  So a good tip would ne don't give up fishing till youur lure hits the beach.  I have caught plenty of great fish right in the suds.

As far as good beaches the Hook is one of the best and if you are looking for jetties Deal and Elberon cant be beat up there.  If you are new to jetty fishing get yourself a good set of Korkers and practice during the day.  Jetties can be very treacherous. 

With that being said now would be the time to practice your lures as the artificial lure season is just starting.  I have to warn you it is very adicting and there are tons of plugs to choose from.  I will cover choices later if you are still interested.

My old faithful is the blue and white Striper Swiper top water plug.  I have had one of these in my surf bak for more years than I would like to talk about.  They work on striped bass and blues as well.

Pick up several sizes of the AVA's as they are dynamite in the surf.  They cast a mile and when using teasers the combo is fantastic.

The AVA's are easy to use just cast them out and try to fine the combination of rise and fall of the rod tip and the retrieve rate. Once this is achieved and you have a fish on the beach your good to go again.

Be sure to change sizes if one is not working then maybe a smaller one will work.  They work great if there are Rain fish (bait) around. 

I hope I did not give you too much and put you in over load.  But there is a lot to factor into using lures.

My best advise would be to MATCH THE HATCH, Ask at a local B&T what bait is running and use the artificial that comes closest to it.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: seameister on June 11, 2008, 08:04:43 AM
Hi seameister,

I guess thats my cue, Sit back and get ready to learn son.  Only kidding, I always wanted to say that.

All kidding aside.  You are in a very good spot to try your luck for stripers.  But you will have to do your homework and put your time in.  It won't be cheap to get started so go slow and work your way into it.
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First before I get into what to use what kind of rod and reel do you use for the surf.  This is important because in order to throw metal and plugs you might have to have a couple of outfits

For heavy plugs in the area of 3 and over oz a good 10 to 11' rod rated for over 6 oz would work great.  If you have ever heard the expression of 8 & bait they are talking about an 8 0z sinker plus the bait usually a good size bunker head with at least a 10/0 circle hook.  Inorder to throw that kikng of load you need some serious equipment.

For what you are looking for a good 10 to 11' rod and a good reel I use a 10'-6' Tica Dolphin Surf series with a Penn 560 Slammer and 30# Power Pro braid line.  You can throw the AVA47's a mile with that outfit and have a good time, plus clip on a 3oz popper and still be able to get it out to where the big cows live.  Sorry that is a misnomer you can find any fish right at your feet as well.  So a good tip would ne don't give up fishing till youur lure hits the beach.  I have caught plenty of great fish right in the suds.

As far as good beaches the Hook is one of the best and if you are looking for jetties Deal and Elberon cant be beat up there.  If you are new to jetty fishing get yourself a good set of Korkers and practice during the day.  Jetties can be very treacherous. 

With that being said now would be the time to practice your lures as the artificial lure season is just starting.  I have to warn you it is very adicting and there are tons of plugs to choose from.  I will cover choices later if you are still interested.

My old faithful is the blue and white Striper Swiper top water plug.  I have had one of these in my surf bak for more years than I would like to talk about.  They work on striped bass and blues as well.

Pick up several sizes of the AVA's as they are dynamite in the surf.  They cast a mile and when using teasers the combo is fantastic.

The AVA's are easy to use just cast them out and try to fine the combination of rise and fall of the rod tip and the retrieve rate. Once this is achieved and you have a fish on the beach your good to go again.

Be sure to change sizes if one is not working then maybe a smaller one will work.  They work great if there are Rain fish (bait) around. 

I hope I did not give you too much and put you in over load.  But there is a lot to factor into using lures.

My best advise would be to MATCH THE HATCH, Ask at a local B&T what bait is running and use the artificial that comes closest to it.

Happy Catching

Paul

Thank you Paul!
I've got some questions,
How do you tie a teaser to the main line so it wont spin around (using braid)?
I have a 9' ST.Croix Triumph rod and a Penn 550ssg with #40LB braid on it. Do i need a 10' - 11' on the jetties?
So what is the best plug to use summer? Swimmers?(metal lipped, top water poppers....)?
Thank you !
Seameister     :P
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on June 11, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Tying teasers is very simple,  but you have to use a leader to do this.

My leaders are usually around 36" long with a snap swivel at one end and a regular swivel at the other.  Approx. 18 to 24 inches above the plug or whatever you have attached to the business end of the leader tie a dropper loop  and attach your teaser to that so it hangs down about 6 to 8".  I have had no problem with line twist with this set up.  If you do not like the snap swivel just tie the lure directly to the leader.  I like to use fluorocarbon leader material in the 40# range.

As far as your choice in rod & reel for off the jetties that would work just fine.  is the Triumph the 9' surf version?  If so your good to go.

As far as plugs to use I love using pencil poppers and surface poppers a lot.  But they all will work if you try to match the hatch at that particular time.  Try to mimic the bait that is in the water at the time you are there.  That is why active surf fishermen have so many lures in their bag of tricks.

A good rule of thumb as far as color would be on clear sunny days use light to white color lures on overcast days switch to mid range Yellow would be a good choice here. For heavy overcast or at night dark colors work best in the black to dark blues to purple will work great.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: seameister on June 11, 2008, 12:55:06 PM
I wanna make a gaff out of Bamboo, do u guys know where i could find one about 8'?
I know its hard to find.
Thanx.
And Special thanx to Paul for your help!
Seameister t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on June 12, 2008, 12:17:29 AM
Hey Seameister no problem, that is what this site is all about.

If you are having trouble locating bamboo that long try asking a store that sells rugs as I think they use them as centers so the carped does not kink or something.

We have a rug expert on her Rugman maybe he can put you on to one...

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Greg7 on August 22, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
Great advice Paul! TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Skolmann on August 22, 2008, 07:47:54 AM
Almost time to get jiggy with it...........
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on August 24, 2008, 12:12:24 AM
I can't wait!!!!!
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on August 25, 2008, 11:43:12 PM
I am so ready for the beach attack this year.  I hope it happens.  Just keep your eyes open for the mullet run to really start the fall run.  I hear they are gathering already.  Bring it on...

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Greg7 on August 26, 2008, 05:21:47 PM
 t^ Maybe I will finally catch something!
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 03, 2008, 08:50:44 PM
OK, this may have been covered in this thread and I just didnt understand, so I'll ask for simpler terms.

The poles we have on the boat are setup for fluke. Period. I am unsure of what they are, etc. as I didn't set them up. Will they be OK for stripers or do I need to retool?

If so, what do I need for a basic, get my feet wet, say of striper fishing. Never done this but need to find something to amuse me as the fluke season ends.

Also I'm reading that we need structure for stripers just like fluke. So will my fluke spots work for stripers as well?

All jigs and no live bait for these guys? No problem, I'll just use this thread as a shopping list.

I understand the technique slightly, so all I'm confused on is gear and spot.

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 03, 2008, 10:48:08 PM
I don't know what type of gear you have already for fluke?  From a boat you will either be casting or trolling.  So you will need rods and reels able to do one or both of those tasks.  I feel that 20# test in mono or braid is plenty...I have even gone lighter sometimes in the surf.  Basically, fall stripers are a little easier to fish for.  They will go for the wide variety of lures, but bait will certainly work as well.  Finding bait fish is certainly a great way to find the fish as well.

Good Luck!

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on September 03, 2008, 11:50:13 PM
You can also anchor up and lightly chum clams or bunker and use a 7/0 circle hook with a fish finder rig and sinker.  Finding the bait fish and snagging and live lining bunker seems to be a sure way of catching some nice fish.

" from what I read" 

I plan on changing that in the coming months t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: blynch on September 04, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
OK, this may have been covered in this thread and I just didnt understand, so I'll ask for simpler terms.

The poles we have on the boat are setup for fluke. Period. I am unsure of what they are, etc. as I didn't set them up. Will they be OK for stripers or do I need to retool?

If so, what do I need for a basic, get my feet wet, say of striper fishing. Never done this but need to find something to amuse me as the fluke season ends.

Also I'm reading that we need structure for stripers just like fluke. So will my fluke spots work for stripers as well?

All jigs and no live bait for these guys? No problem, I'll just use this thread as a shopping list.

I understand the technique slightly, so all I'm confused on is gear and spot.

Thanks guys.

If you can take a look at the rod labels (on the backside of the rod, above the grip) and the reel make and series and let us know, someone will surely be able to give you some tips on whether you should change gear
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: DarthBaiter on September 04, 2008, 06:52:35 PM
OK, this may have been covered in this thread and I just didnt understand, so I'll ask for simpler terms.

The poles we have on the boat are setup for fluke. Period. I am unsure of what they are, etc. as I didn't set them up. Will they be OK for stripers or do I need to retool?

If so, what do I need for a basic, get my feet wet, say of striper fishing. Never done this but need to find something to amuse me as the fluke season ends.

Also I'm reading that we need structure for stripers just like fluke. So will my fluke spots work for stripers as well?

All jigs and no live bait for these guys? No problem, I'll just use this thread as a shopping list.

I understand the technique slightly, so all I'm confused on is gear and spot.

Thanks guys.

How many ounces werre you able to fish with those rods? if you fished deep and heavy with no problem, they would do ok for stripers also.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 05, 2008, 07:23:29 PM
How many ounces werre you able to fish with those rods? if you fished deep and heavy with no problem, they would do ok for stripers also.

Help me out. Novice here.  We usually fish with a 2-3 ounce sinker inshore (4-8ft) and I went up to a 5 ounce in the ocean last wknd (25-30ft). That felt a little heavy on one of out lighter poles.

Also what is the difference between regular line and braid? I fear that is a stupid question, but I have asked it. I'm looking at some striper (i hope) rods on ebay. As per advice, Shimano Baitrunner 3500 on an Ugly Stick Bigwater 7' one piece spooled with 30lb PowerPro braid. Sound good?
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 05, 2008, 11:16:28 PM
Weights are all dependent on where you want the bait.  If you are fishing topwater, you would go very light, just enough to keep it from floating on the surface.  For all other fishing, you will need to experiment.  Current and tide all affect how much weight you will need.  Some days you will need more to hold bottom and other days less.  If you are trying to fish in the middle of the water column while trolling you may need a completely different amount of weight.  I do not have a boat, nor do I fish from a boat, so the guys who do will be able to give you more information on actual size weights they use.

You also need to choose weights based on what your rod is rated for.  Or vice versa, choose a rod that is rated for the weight you will be using.  You said that 5oz felt a little heavy on the rod...maybe b/c the rod wasn't rated for 5oz of weight.  Keep this in mind when shopping for gear and tackle.  I see many, many people throwing weight that their rods can't handle.  This is especially true with lures.  Just b/c it is heavier, doesn't mean it will cast farther.  If it is too heavy for the rod, it will probably cast less farther.  Usually lures come in multiple sizes and weights...sometimes same size just different weight.  By going with what your rod is  rated for, even if it means going an inch or two smaller on the lure, you will get better casts and better action out of the rod, reel and lure!

Braid is a line made of many different braided fibers.  It is extremely strong and very sensitive will little to no stretch.  It will give you smoother and farther casts, most of the time and I think it is easier to tie knots with.  The knots may not hold as well, which is why you need to use a few specific knots(uni, palomar) It is completely different from monofilament line.  However, it is not as abrasive resistant and you need to be careful it doesn't cut your fingers.  I just started using it on a lighter tackle setup I use in the Inlet, Canal and Bays.  I love it and will be switching all of my reels over to it as they need to be respooled.

Good Luck!

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 05, 2008, 11:41:17 PM
 whs

Very good advise.  If you follow it you should not have any problems.  All I have to add is to experiment, experiment, experiment.

But don't hold back with the questions.  Soon you will be jumping in and giving advise as well.

Happu Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 07, 2008, 10:54:02 PM
whs

Very good advise.  If you follow it you should not have any problems.  All I have to add is to experiment, experiment, experiment.

But don't hold back with the questions.  Soon you will be jumping in and giving advise as well.

Happu Catching

Paul

You asked for it.  slt

The heavier of the 3 rods in the boat is a 6' rated for 5-17lbs. I'm thinking thats too light. Plus I have no idea what it is spooled with. I'm thinking we need an entirely different setup for stripers.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 07, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
If you can get your thoughts to set into the realization that a 40 pound striper is not unheard of and there are plenty of 30 to 35 pound fish around this time of year, than yes your tackle would be light.

I would go to a good Bait and Tackle shop and tell them what you are looking to fish for and the budget you are willing to spend.  If they are a good shop they will work with you if they try to sell you their most expensive outfit run for the nearest door and go to another shop as there are plenty around.  Plus I would make sure the shop is open all year round as they will be there if you have trouble during the colder months.

Paul
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 07, 2008, 11:28:19 PM
I agree that it may be a little too light, however, I have read T-Man's Reports and he is doing a lot of light tackle trolling...and we see the fish he is putting in the boat.  It is certainly not something you couldn't fish with.  However, if you are specifically looking to get new setups, for the boat I would go with 7'0" or so, medium heavy power moderate to fast action rated for 10-20# line or 14-25#, anywhere in that area able to throw 1-8oz or so...maybe a little more if you use heavier lures/weights or maybe a little lighter if you use lighter lures/weights.  You want that rod to have a good backbone to be able to handle something bigger if it comes along.  Remember, you need to have a general idea of what pound test line you will be going with to choose a reel and then I would pair it up with a rod matching the same ratings.  This type of setup should be good for a wide variety of species, bass, weakies, blues, albies, etc...

Good Luck!

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 07, 2008, 11:31:47 PM
Boy your sounding good there P-man.  Way to go... TT^ grtn
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 07, 2008, 11:33:59 PM
Thanks Paul...talk is cheap though!  I need some fish on!!

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 07, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
I hear ya... :P
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 08, 2008, 07:06:05 PM
I just bought on ebay, 2 7' Ugly sticks w/ Shimano 3500 Baitrunner reels with 30lb Powerpro braid. Both identical and less than a year old. $160 for both. Can't beat that (I don't think  ???)

Thanks for the help guys. Now our season can continue.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on September 08, 2008, 08:42:02 PM
Yes!!.  great price and a great Striper set up  t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 08, 2008, 08:43:24 PM
Great buy...reels could cost you that much alone!  Those should work great for you...

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 08, 2008, 11:06:56 PM
 TT^ Nice pick up...
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 09, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
Now that I have my setups down, on to the method. I'm slowly understanding the striper season and what to look for. I will be going to the tackle shop to pick up a few of the jigs mentioned.

Now as far as casting from a boat, how does that work? How far should I cast, how quickly should I bounce it? How quickly should I retireve? Does it al vary? Just try new things? I guess I'm asking for a baseline. What's your first cast as you come into a spot that looks promising?
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Hotrod on September 09, 2008, 06:33:13 PM


Now as far as casting from a boat, how does that work? How far should I cast, how quickly should I bounce it? How quickly should I retireve? Does it al vary? Just try new things? I guess I'm asking for a baseline. What's your first cast as you come into a spot that looks promising?
Yes t^

I'm not the Striper expert bye no means.  If you have 3-4 people fishing.  every one doing something different.  1 casting.  1 jigging..  etc t^  Been there..  DOne that.  but I was a casting. and should have been Jigging with Capt Joe t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: SharkHart on September 09, 2008, 08:56:36 PM
The question is are you talking about lure or bait fishing?

IF lures the easiest and maybe most productive method is jigging AVA jigs  with  ;)a teaser  ;)

AVA 47 or 27 on a calm day.  Bouncing that lure with the very hard under current will rule out alot of rods that might be too light, also pulling a fish off the bottom in that current will make a fish feel/fight much harder.   Where?  follow the birds.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 10, 2008, 06:52:26 PM
So cast with bait and just drop it in and bounce with jigs?

Someone please hold my hand, haha.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: SharkHart on September 10, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
Drop,   Id only cast if you see fish crashing the surface.

Casting out with a jig will either go under the boat as u drift or will sweep outward if you cast the other way which will most likely pull you off the bottom too much.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 25, 2008, 08:27:34 PM
Ok, got the tackle and technique setup now.

Next question. Are we wasting our time trying to fish for stripers during the day/early morning? I've been reading thast night fishing is the best, but I don't think we're ready for that. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: IrishAyes on September 25, 2008, 08:36:46 PM
Night time is typically the best as they are nocturnal feeders and light does bother their eyes. They will typically be in deeper water during sunlight hours because of this.

Early morning is a great time for stripers. Expecially just before/during/shortly after sun up.

When the run begins, you will get stripers during the day.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: ped579 on September 25, 2008, 11:32:28 PM
 whs

If you want to have a good time try your luck around Tuesday when things quiet down in the low light parts of the day and use clams as the clam beds are taking a hit right now.  Look for a stretch of beach with shells struned all over the place and just do a leisurely cast out into the slough and hang on.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: shkbilly on September 26, 2008, 05:27:15 PM
Thanks guys. Someone tap me on the shoulder when the run begins and point to where I should go.  ??? 5hrug  I'll be the guy checking this board while all you guys are catching fish.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Pfishingruven on September 26, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
Anytime you can get out is a good time to fish.  Provided you can get out and the weather is good, give it a shot!!

 TT^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: lucky enuff on September 28, 2008, 08:50:26 AM
Great thread guys  t^  Thanks for all the advise.
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: bugmannj on September 04, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
Great advice from all Thanks! t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: topwater on January 20, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
Although it isnt fall anymore, I just learned a ton of new things about striper fishing! thank you guys for sharing all the knowledge and tips! t^
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: Ms Fish on September 06, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
Hey fellow fishermen!! grtn I am new to striper fishing off my boat.  ;D Usually I would hit the surf with my surf pole and use a lure. This year I am eagar and excited to try off my boat t^ but not sure where or how or what to do exactly.  5hrug Sure I could get help from a shop rgmn  but when I see the photos of the Striper you all have caught, who better to ask then the people who have caught them. clp Any advice sure would be appreciated. I launch out of Sea Warren... and fish the bay there pretty much all season. Absolutely willing to go where the fish are!!!  Thanks for the help!!  slt
Title: Re: Fall stripers
Post by: fellinger on September 08, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
Hey fellow fishermen!! grtn I am new to striper fishing off my boat.  ;D Usually I would hit the surf with my surf pole and use a lure. This year I am eagar and excited to try off my boat t^ but not sure where or how or what to do exactly.  5hrug Sure I could get help from a shop rgmn  but when I see the photos of the Striper you all have caught, who better to ask then the people who have caught them. clp Any advice sure would be appreciated. I launch out of Sea Warren... and fish the bay there pretty much all season. Absolutely willing to go where the fish are!!!  Thanks for the help!!  slt

I am in the same boat! I have never fished for stripers but, I now have a boat and I am eager to learn. I will probably use the Manasquan River/PPC areas. Any help would be appreciated as well!

Fred