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NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports and Information => Tips, Tricks and Things to Consider => Topic started by: wb on November 15, 2007, 06:30:03 PM
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There is a good amount of detail in various threads I have read, but figured try to get a sticky thread going for Tog to celebrate the increased limit!
Let me start by stating what is probably obvious: Ya gotta be on/near the bottom, structure helps, bring lots of rigs and a wreck anchor and be prepared to lose them, crabs for bait, OK that's as far as I go. Last time I was toggin was w/my Uncle John when I was about yo high, so anything I learned likely faded away... (I have a great memory, it's just really short) I do remember him saying they'll ambush the bait then try to run back into their hideyhole with it, almost guaranteeing a snag if you're not right on top of the sitcheeashun.
So lemme throw some q's out there: Conventional or spinning? Single hook rig? Other baits? Techniques? Yes, gottog and others have probably answered these and other q's already but it's hard to have too much info when it comes to fishin. Specially if it's all in one place. Thanks.
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Vinnie, if you have never fished for tog before, bring your crying towel and stomping shoes, cause you will be stomping on the deck with every missed hit. ;D rofla
For hooks, I normally use a single hook, anywhere from 2/0 to 5/0 Gama Octopus. Definately conventional outfit.
I'm sure Gottog can elaborate much better than me on this subject.
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WB
Joe got the hook size for you, a conventional rig with a stiff rod(no pun)6 1/2 ft, Braid 30-50 lb.
I use single hok set up but my buddy uses double rigs and both produce equal......bait Green crabs, white legger, Fiddler crabs, sometimes clams and squid will work good.
You'll have alot of misses, as we all have, but once yu get the feeling down you'll be boating fish..........bait at or near the bottom and hold it as stil as you can.
Good Luck TT^ t^ grtn
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And if you don't feel a bite in a minute, pull your line up cause you've lost your bait to the bandit tog. TT^
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Now here comes the true value of this site
Togging isnt easy but the most important aspect is the spot.
So who out there is willing to give up some numbers
Come on you guys
Lets help and give up some of those great numbers
Ross
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IMHO spinning gear has no place on a tog trip :P
Conventional gear. Braid, mono, that's up to you. I fish braid and superlines. Favorite is Fireline in 30# test that breaks at 60#+.
Minimum #test for other brands would be 30#, but suggest 50# Second favorite braid is Tuf Line XP.
I always use a long mono leader attached to my braid via a connection knot. Been loving the bimini twist/yucatan knots for doing this. Mono leader ranges from 30# to 60# test. 40-50# is good and what I use most. On my gear it's usually about 15' of the stuff.
I use no hardware what so ever, no swivels, snaps, etc. I put up a rig in another thread on how I rig.
Can use single hook or double. I prefer the snafu rig which comprises two hooks that go into a whole crab or can fish two halves. or if it's really picky, both hooks in one half ;)
I prefer Gami Octopus or Owner SSW hooks from 3/0 to 6/0. Started off in the season using 3/0 Gami but will now be using 4/0 and 5/0 mostly. Mustad Virginia hooks are tried and true, but must be sharpened right out of the box.
I make my rigs/snell hooks with heavy stiff mono stick-leader ranging from 50# to 100#test.
Heavier leader only needs three wraps on the snell and I do a version of the quick-snell which makes it much easier.
Crabs is what to use. Asian Shore crabs to start the season, greenies all the time, calico crabs when you can get them, and whiteleggers should be starting to shine now.
Hermits are good too, but more prevelant out on LINY. Blueclaws work too and quite a few sharpies from the south use them...I rather eat em ;D
How much lead depends on where and conditions. I fish usually out of the NY Bight area and use 8-12ozs mostly. When fishing other areas like Orient Point NY, you can easily use 16ozs+
Fishing structure is key but bottom make up will determine where the fish are. Some think the tog just stay in a hole, but they do swim around and feed off of the "piece" My biggest had whole surf clams shards in it's belly and they ain't growing on the sides of wrecks and rocks ;)
Alot of times they will stage up in an area and that's why some pull out numerous fish. other areas they'll swim around and you'll see multiple hookups at one time, this is usually how it goes out at 17 Fathoms area.
You can drop straight down or cast out and try to work some rough bottom. Snags are going to happen regardless, but casting out will increase the likelyhood of that happening.
This is not winter flounder fishing so no sinker bouncing. Slight moves of the sinker to "find" a piece to work is fine, but too much commotion can spook the tog.
The bite changes from day to day, spot to spot, and even from tide to tide.
Tog are very curious so sometimes it takes a little while to get them going and start to chew. "Build your life up" by casting/fishing a specific area and making a sort of chum-slick of crab parts by letting the bergalls and small tog pick away at your bait. Many times you'll see someone fish a whole crab first and not swing at a fish until they have no bait left or get nailed. This will create a little chum area.
When fishing braid/supoerlines, do NOT fish piano wirte tight. You need a bit of slack in the line and also to keep in motion with the waves so you're not bouncing the bait up and down.
Of course there are times/places when they're suicidal and they hang themselves aggresively.
A good hard hook set is key. Important to hook the fish and then get them a few feet off the bottom quick. After that, takeyour time a reel slow. Enjoy the fight and not bring the fish up so fast their eyes and buttholes pop out.
GPS numbers? Not many sharpies will give that out and I agree. Some spots are easily found and widely known but a good small piece is well guarded. Tough to do in today's time of technical advances, but anyone found with a portable GPS device on a party/charter boat should have it thrown over IMHO.
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more pics of rigging, rig, and the tog teeth which pick your hooks clean right quick ;)
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Can rig up numerous ways, as long as they work for you that's what matters:
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Excellent post Mike.
Guys were asking where we will be fishing on the 16th (not specific area but water depth and such)so they have an idea of how much weight they will be using, etc. It would be great if you could post as much info on the trip as possible so guys can get their gear ready. t^
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Way too far off to determine where. ;) Could be Scotland, Mud Buoy, or 17 Fathoms.
More than likely 8-12ozs should be what's needed at those spots. If at 17 or running current, maybe a little more, but regardless, you'll be looking at atleast 8ozs.
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I was able to get a real (reel?) good deal on the following over the weekend. Should be good enough for this trip, right?
http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/products/products.php?p=32 T30L
http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/products/combos/tidewater-combos.shtml 7'0"
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Should be just fine adesai TT^
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Good luck and I hope you get to use them in good health. Catch a bunch of fish.
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Can tog be horsed up over the rail or must they be netted????
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Your typical sized tog - hoist over the side. Anything over say...five pounds...NET!!!!!!! (http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/smileys-91853/_950/mayi.gif)
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I've got to write a book some day. The info here at this site is awesome. Thanks guys...
Happy Catching
Paul
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I've swung tog up to 10# on my graphite stick. Generally will not even hesitate on fish under 8lbs or so. Tough to guesstimate a fish, but usually come close. IMHO, tog gear should be able to swing a fish in the 5-8lb class without worry.
Does take a little skill, but if unsure, call for the net/gaff.
Swung a 6.5# in this past Friday on a charter boat. Sometimes being closer to the water is more difficult than from the deck of a party boat.
AS the saying goes...Lift em or lose em ;)
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hey gottog, nice posts, me and Capt Anthony on the angela rose 2 had a charter yesterday for tog and bass we cought about a dozen or so tog up to 6 lbs., im hooked on togging, its so much fun! ive only gone once with my dad on our boat, but i didnt catch any. you should come book a trip on the AR2 it would be great info for all of us! good luck ! thanks for the info t^ t^
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The guys on the Angela Rose can teach you alot more than I can. I just get lucky and put my time in. I pick up tips from other anglers, captain and crews, websites like this one, etc.
Plus the AR is know for catching some nice fish of all species TT^
With tog, you're always learning as every day is different. The way I do things might not be right for others. One of my mentors from Sheepshead Bay that I consider one of the best toggers always tells me that I fish "wrong" especially the way I hold my rod into/away from the wind. I still catch and my style is comfortable to me...probably if I listened to him I'd catch more but I gotta be me t^
Seemed sunday with the full moon transition, they wanted half crabs with no legs on. Whole or even half with a leg or two did not get the attention that the legless ones got.
I will say that I won't pass up someone paying my way to tog rofla hhppy
Now if I can only find someone willing to chrz
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Last year on a trip, I noticed several fisherman were using Whiffle balls on their sinkers to prevent snags.
It seems to me that the ball would help preventing hangups, but wonder if it has any impact on the catch.
Has anyone had any experience with using this setup? ???
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Never heard of that before. 5hrug
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I've heard mention of it before, but thankfully, never actually seen anyone use that. A few boats I go on, well, I hope whomever sports them has real real thick skin rofla hhppy
I do believe in using the flat/diamond sinkers as they do not roll like a regular bank sinker and thus have less tendency to find a hole and get stuck. Regardless of what type of sinker, rig, hook, etc...you're gonna loose tackle while tog'n.
Out in Long Island they use a "tog bomb" kind of jig. Basically the weight is shaped and colored to vaguely look like half a green crab and the hook swings from that. Pic attached.
I've also heard of using bucktails tipped with crab. Certain places that might work just fine, but where I fish, in deeper waters and much more filled with snags, they won't last for long.
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first i would like to say some very good info here. maybe i can add a little bit here. gottog makes a lot of good points.
heres some tips i give our customers and friends new to toggin.
1. from what i can see both from deck capt and as avid tog fisherman. way too many people fish too light. if you think you could hold bottom with an 6 or 8oz. use 10 or 12oz. use 40-80 lb main line and 60-100lb leader. blackfish are not line shy. so have the extra bit to land the big fish. too many times i seen people catch plenty of tog and always lose the hog on there 30 lb test. your 30 lb test becomes a lot weaker once it frays or get a nickin it.
2. very very important dont move your sinker hence the heavier weight sinkers. on most days the bergall will be the first to inspect the bait then mr blackfish will approach. if you swing at the bergall you will on most occasions scare the blackfish away to another angler who has his crab and sinker sitting flat on the bottom. i seen way to many people bouncing there sinkers all over the place while everyone next to them is catching fish.
once you find the bottom leave your sinker there.
3. crabs!!! crab selection makes a big difference. dont be afraid to try different thing. last week you could have caught your limit on hard orange belly green crabs but this week the water dropped 2 degree and the only want the soft green light belly ones. some days its legs on others legs off. whole crabs or 1/2 it all changes. it all makes a difference so change it up.
4. nutin fancy needed when togging. keep it simple. no 3 ways weight clips swivels etc.
double hook rigs are good at times usually when fishing a whole crab with both hooks in them is the best application. hence a snafu or slider hook rig. high lows i personally stay away from. when you hook i big blackfish the object is to get him out of the bottom so no matter how smooth your 450$ reels drag is .if you drag is to loose you will watch him take you right back to the bottom. tight drags and heavy line lands the hogs more times than not. pick a rod that is good for you. a fancy rod spiral wraps and side winders are for the guys who have been doing a long time. none of these will help you learn when is the right time to swing at a tog bite except pratice. ask questions most people will be more than happy to help you out and leave the spinner home!!!
5. dont be affraid to move around on a boat if the crowd allows it. most of the time blackfishing crowds can be light especially later in the season. no matter how good you are if you dont have good bottom you cant catch blackfish. its not rude among the guys who blackfish regularly. just be polite. more time you are on productive bottom the more you will catch. many people will bark why cant the capt put the whole boat on the bottom . the answer is simple he could but big well know high profile wrecks get beat up and cleaned out quickly. many small less know snags often produce a lot of big fish ,but it might only be on on side or section of the boat.
6 braid could be a big advantage for blackfish but is could be a huge disadvantage if used wrong. all the tog sharpies i seen almost fish with a bow in there line and for good reason. if you fish with a super tight line with braid your sinker will roll around and bounce everytime the boat moves hence scaring more tog away from your swing crab than it will attract. so yes braid will help you feel the sneaky bites better then mono but if you are getting less bites because you are using it wrong it defeats the purpose.
7 try a 6 pack boat before jumping on a head boat. its more forgiving. it will give the pratice you need to make the most of the fewer bites you get on a tough day on a party boat.
more bites more misses and more pratice. land based tog is also a good pratice. such as a canal or inlet.
8. use sharp hooks. gamu owner and the other chemically sharpened hook will increase you hook up. check your hook points often as well you wont catch to much if you point is messed up the whole day.
9 gloves lol this is a funny one. be in touch with your rod. if you put on the antartica glacier gloves chances are your hands are warm but you dont catch that many tog. dress warm but be comfortable so you can be productive at the rail.
10 fish alot tog fishing takes lots of pratice. the more you go the better you will get. watch and learn from the people who are doing well. find a boat that could be a home for you so you can feel comfortable and have friend to fish with. never stop learning there is no way to master togging but being able to adapt will help put fish in your cooler.
hopefully some newbe tog hunters can get some good info out of this.
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Wow, Jerry great info t^ Man I forgot al1 about this thread. and here I just started one..
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Good info Capt Jerry, thanks. t^
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Those jigs definitely work in LI Sound. Don't know how? My guess is they see it as a live crab creeping along the bottom. Seen it firsthand several times. Once on a partyboat fishing off Stamford. I invited a friend out a few weeks ago and fished off Rye Playland in 35'. They were slamin' his jig. I was getting plenty of fish w/ a two hook rig myself.
A different bite over there, they are suicidal!
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Capt Jerry grtn
C'mon, you know I'm a hack, but can regurgitate what others try to teach me and a few things I've actually picked up along the way. t^
I think I want Jerry to bait my hooks next time out with him. Dude uses mono and outfishes me all the time bngh
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dont be so modest i know u be a pulla
i know about you guys beating on the slobs at
16+1 ;)
and t the pool ringer t^ t
gotta get together soon
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Yeah, we pulled alot of stuff from the garage yesterday ;) At least we got our new stove hooked up and the Christmas tree decorated. rofla
Tonight dishwasher chrz
I need to drown some crabs bngh
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Just joined this site. Looks great.
Togging is the best !!!! Frigid Temps, cold hands, crabs in my pockets and the thump of big tog hitting the deck ....perfect together.
Not to mention nice fresh tog fillet for Christmas Eve dinner. Its just a shame that I am told I must go togfishing on Christmas Eve to get the fesh fish for dinner. Its a beautiful thang !!!!!
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Welcome to the site Togmasterson. Looking forward to your posts. The only problem I find weather wise is the wind. The cold I can handle. TT^
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Welcome Aboard Togmasterson,
I hope you find our humble crew informative and fun. We all love to fish and we love to give our ideas freely. if you fall into that category Welcome Aboard.
Looking forward to your posts.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Capt. Jerry,
That was a very good info, I wish I found this site before. Yesterday was my first tog trip ever. I did not land many fish but after reading alot of post I am ready to do it again.
JR
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Welcome to the site JR. There is a lot of good info here. Guys willing to share.
Any questions, just ask. Any thing you can add, do so.
No one can ever know enough. t^
Looking forward to your posts.
Good luck in catching.
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Welcome Aboard JR,
This site will knock your waders off once you get involved in it. The guys and gals are terrific and love to share info freely.
Looking forward to your questions and input as well.
Happy Catching
Paul
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I'm sitting here watching that Northeast Angling tog show and snelling some 4/0 and 5/0 Gamakatsu and Mustad Octopus hooks on 80# leader for the Bandit trip next week. As I do this I thought of some questions for all you "pro-toggers" out there.
I was curious if anyone ever uses the Gamakatsu "Live Bait" style hook for tog. I've got quite a few of them.
What do you think? Should I stick with the Octopus only or should I tie up some of these live bait style hooks as well? 5hrug
Also, as I tie these they seem to be a bit big for tog. I'm used to using size 2 and 4 Virginia style hooks.
Are these 5/0s really appropriate for this trip or should I be tying more 3/0 and 4/0 hooks?
One other thing. On the local inshore rockpiles that I've fished around here, it seems like I don't normally lose a lot of rigs. However, I have no idea what kind of structure we'll be fishing over in Delaware.
So realistically, how many rigs should I be making up for this trip? I don't want to get caught short out there. ;D
By the way, thanks to Joe (Irish Ayes) I think I've got all the 8 and 10 oz. sinkers I'll need! TT^
Thanks,
Bob
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Bob, I tied up some 3/0 and 4/0 Gama Octopus hooks. I also have 5/0s that I am going to tie and bring. I will decide once we are on the boat what one to use. Seems the fish there are on the larger size and the 4/0 may be the ticket for me.
I am bringing two dozen each, but then again, I may be supplying two others habits too.
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Live Bait hooks are good. Thicker, so obviously stronger and less likely to bend, but also a little harder to hook into the crab and had a slightly shorter shank as well.
I like the regular octs. 5/0 are not too big in my opinion and have hooked quite a few tiny toy-togs with them as well as bergalls.
4/0 is my favorite, but if fishing bigger crabs looking for a beast, the 5/0s come out to play. TT^
I usually have atleast a dozen rigs per person in my party rigged up.
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Thanks guys. I'm sticking with the Octopuses (Octopi?) in 3/0, 4/0 and 5/0. I'm also tying some of the double hook rigs.
Joe, I've got plenty of 8 and 10 oz. sinkers, thanks to you. ;D But the one report said we might be needing up to 16 oz. Have you got any that big that I could buy from you if needed?
Thanks,
Bob
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I have some 16 oz Bob. Don't know if they are in the garage at home or the shore. I'll have to find them and bring some along.
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Great Joe! Thanks! t^
Hopefully we won't need them, but you never know. Guess I could always put on two 8s (not like I haven't done that before).
In any case, I'll check some B&Ts around here to see if anyone has them. Anything over 10 or 12 oz. is sometimes tough to find.
-Bob
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How in God's name are you guys going to bring all that weight on board? Hand truck?
Better bring a back brace too...
Paul
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Here's another connection knot for braid and mono. Couple variations on this one out there and both seem quite simple, quick, and compact.
Will give them the strength test when out on the water next time.
http://www.netknots.com/html/slim_beauty_knot.html
http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/knots/slim_beauty.aspx
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You are the master connector Gottog ;)
How many have you tested???
He knows them best fellas....
and he always shares the results
Good stuff!!!
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My buddy Mick turned me on to the slim beauty. I tried tying them both ways and seem to like the doubled version best. So far so good on holding up TT^
I like learning new knots and have tried quite a few connection ones. In a pinch when I really have to tie quickly, I still go to the uni to uni. Knot I have most faith in is the bimini/yucatan, however this slim beauty is working out pretty good.
Now if I could only tog as half as good as Jerry with straight mono, I wouldn't have to try all these knots. chrz
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I'm brand new to the site. Lots of good info here... Thanks guys. Thought I'd throw my two cents in on this topic. For a rod/reel combo I use the Lamiglas 7030 with a avet sx reel. I normally think it the angler not the equipment that makes the difference but this set up is great, the rod is very light and super sensitive yet abble to hanle alot of lead if you need it. The reel is a 5.3 - 1 ratio so it has good cranking power to get em' out of the rocks and is also light and compact but will hold alot of line.
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This Reel Cris?
(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-69644630551445_2032_4143694)
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lots of great info on this topic .....
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t^ Little bump for a great thread full of info. Good primer for the upcoming trip.
I'm gonna try to tie a bunch of rigs for the trip. What type of quantity would I need? And what would be a good starting point as far as size and quantity of lead?
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Great info on here fellas. Did my first bit of toggin last wknd with Capt Jerry and I'd say I'm hooked. After muttering some words that I didn't even know exsisted, Jerry pointers got me on some fish. (He was over in the corner smoking a ciggarette and on the phone boating tog while I devoted my entire brain to the cause and could only muster an empty hook, lol.)
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Once you go, you are hooked forever on tog fishing. thud
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Great info on here fellas. Did my first bit of toggin last wknd with Capt Jerry and I'd say I'm hooked. After muttering some words that I didn't even know exsisted, Jerry pointers got me on some fish. (He was over in the corner smoking a ciggarette and on the phone boating tog while I devoted my entire brain to the cause and could only muster an empty hook, lol.)
rofla ;D
They are addicting actually its a compulsive disease
Ahh that time of da year again!!!
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Once you go, you are hooked forever on tog fishing. thud
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Going this upcoming weekend for some tog, stripers and blues. Going to try to fish near the inlet at the end of IBSP. I've learned quite alot from this post, and a few others, and alot of friendly captains that I went fishing with. I'll share my experience when I get back. t^
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Good luck
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Good luck and be careful out there.
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I've been calling the park house every other day or so, and it seems to me that the beach will not be closed during high tide as of tomorrow. Today is still "iffy", but the seas are calming down! At least that's what the park house person said.
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Well that is good news. Still the sand is very loose and not packed very well. Make sure that you air down to at least 15# or you will be in trouble from A7 down to A20. Trust me on this one.
It is only for seasoned drivers that know the beach. It is not worth putting your veh in jeopardy, let alone your life.
From A23 to the inlet it is a lot more forgiving as the beach is a lot wider. and the sand is different there.
Good luck
Happy Catching
Paul
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Bump, Good thread to review t^
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WOW thud GREAT INFO !!!!!! TT^
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Here's what I can share. Fishing wrecks you will get snaged and sometimes so will your anchor. Here's a tip that was tought to me, I use a grapple a couple pieces of rebar bent into a hook and welded together with an eye on top, now here's the tip tie directly to your rope, don't use chain, before you drop it fold the line on to the shaft of the grapple and zip tie it. Now your rope should with the feed end by the hook what this does is allows you to drive over your grapple if its snagged and pull against the hang up without the grapple turning and hanging up more allowing you to pull it free
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I finally picked up a reel for my Tsunami stick that's been sitting in the closet for too long. Went down to --------- with it and quickly realized the Torium 14 or Avet SX was just lost on that rod. Almost got the MXL which was a better fit, but Rich reminded me of how much I like that Corvalus combo I got from him awhile ago... So went with the Tekota 600. Can't wait to try it out, thanks Rich for all the great suggestions and helpful advice!!
Short story long, now I got this bruiser setup that Rich generously spooled up with some 40# mono. I think this will work well for me as a not-so-experienced togger. Should I put a top shot of braid on it? I gots some 30# PP left on a spool that's looking for a home, but was thinking just stick to the mono for now til I (hopefully) get the hang of it?
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Sometimes mono is actually better for hooking up with tog over braid. Not sure if it's the stretch that helps with a picky bite or the mono's natural tendency to have a belly in the water so you're fishing with a slack line. Personally, from fishing with braid/superlines for everything all the time, if I try to use mono it's like fishing with a rubberband now.
If fishing with braid/superlines, try not to fish with too tight of a line. Keep some slack in it a bit, you'll still feel the bite but the tog won't feel the rod and back away from eating your crab. Plus when it's rocking, you won't be moving the bait as the boat bobs up and down.
Recently whiteleggers have been catching some better quality fish, but greenies have been getting better and more bites. Gotta see what the tog want. Sometimes it's a specific color of the crab(orange, red, green, white belly of the greencrabs) sometimes it's a whole crab with it's shell cracked, other times halves with legs on or off. These little things do make all difference at times.
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Here's what I can share. Fishing wrecks you will get snaged and sometimes so will your anchor. Here's a tip that was tought to me, I use a grapple a couple pieces of rebar bent into a hook and welded together with an eye on top, now here's the tip tie directly to your rope, don't use chain, before you drop it fold the line on to the shaft of the grapple and zip tie it. Now your rope should with the feed end by the hook what this does is allows you to drive over your grapple if its snagged and pull against the hang up without the grapple turning and hanging up more allowing you to pull it free
I agree with setting up anchor for reverse pull. However tying rope directly to anchor without chain is not the way to go. Having Chain will allow wreck anchor to set better. It will also protect rope from rubbing against structure. Tying directlty to grapple or anchor will be a good way to donate alot of your gear to the bottom.
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Thanks for the very informative post. These are words to live by when toggin slt I too, have the sickness. I live in MD and chase the devils inshore and off.(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/40146_1680455654772_1338986770_31855886_5883501_n.jpg)
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TT^
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On Sunday, I reeled in empty hooks and thought that the heavy sinker on my line was preventing me from feeling subtle hits. I came up with this rig, I know that the less hardware the better, but with a heavy sinker, this should hold bottom without moving. I'm using the fish-finder not in the traditional way, I have a short line between swivels, it's just there so I can have a better feel for any nibbles, especially with braid.
Any comments?
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Give it a try and see if it works. Personally I fish with no hardware at all because that's what I've been taught by the togging sharpies. Albright knot from the main line to the 50lb mono leader approx 25' , Double up the leader on the last 6' add a sinker dropper loop on bottom with a dropper loop 8" above sinker to tie your 8 to 10" hook leader and add a 4/0 Octopus circle hook.
It sounds complicated but it's not. Irish Ayes Joe taught me this one and we have caught plenty of tog. t^
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Give it a try and see if it works. Personally I fish with no hardware at all because that's what I've been taught by the togging sharpies. Albright knot from the main line to the 50lb mono leader approx 25' , Double up the leader on the last 6' add a sinker dropper loop on bottom with a dropper loop 8" above sinker to tie your 8 to 10" hook leader and add a 4/0 Octopus circle hook.
It sounds complicated but it's not. Irish Ayes Joe taught me this one and we have caught plenty of tog. t^
John the rig Eddies describing is the exact one you saw me tie 30 times sunday. I would shy away from the fish finder because your allowing room in the line for the crab to roll around, doing this may spook the tog. another rig you may want to try is the same as eddie mentioned just put the sinker on the bottom and the hook above it this would eliminate the sinker from stopping you from feeling the hit.
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Zero hardware !!!!
Just use the tried and true Belmar rig...easy to tie with cold wet hands and works great...when the bite is on you want something that is easy to rig and get back in the game after a snag...not a complicated rig with many hard to tie knots...and or fishing around in the tackle box for hardware...
Pre tie you rigs before hand...I use gami #3 or #4 octopus on a double hook slider rig with a perfection loop on the end...again easy to tie a bunch before hand...
With tog....the more you throw on your rig the more your gona get hung up...
Keep it simple !!
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whs the Belmar rig is what we explained. Just I dont tie a perfection I use a regular surgeons loop (Skip told me the tog dont need perfection rofla)
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t^ OK, thanks guys.
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whs the Belmar rig is what we explained. Just I dont tie a perfection I use a regular surgeons loop
Yup...I tie the double surgeons loop for the line double up on the main line...
I tie the perfection loop on my pre tied rigs...
(Skip told me the tog don't need perfection rofla)
rofla
Just secret bait apparently ;D
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Im saving this photo ;D
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New Avatar Al 5hrug
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cool website that clearly shows hot to tie fishing knots and loops.
http://www.animatedknots.com/snell/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
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netknots is also a good one t^
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Nice thread to revisit with good info dating back to 2007 t^