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Title: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hotrod on February 05, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
What do you use?  Pole / Tackle Etc...

Pix a plus ;D
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Bucktail on February 07, 2008, 01:07:24 AM
Fishing for winter flounder doesn't require any fancy gear.  Almost any rod and reel combo in your arsenal will work as long as you don't go too heavy.  I like to fish as light as possible for these flatties.  And since most of my flounder fishing is done in less than 15' of water, I can usually get away with it.  My preferred outfit is a 5' to 6 1/2' light to medium light power rod and a small spinning or bait cast reel loaded with 6-10# braid. Berkley Fireline, Power Pro, Sufix and Stren Super Braid are all popular brands.  The combination of shallow water and the fact that none of these fish are going to make a long run, means you're not going to need a whole heck of a lot of braid on your reel. And since a lot of folks like to fish multiple rods when flounder fishing, this can save you a ton of money.  I would recommend a top shot of about 30 or 40 yards on each spool.  That means you can buy one 150-yard spool for about $15 and have enough to fill four rigs! (Photo A)

Terminal tackle is very simple as well.  A few hooks, some sinkers, and hardware are all you're going to need.  You can leave the top water plugs and butterfly jigs at home on this trip! (Although, I think that's a note for myself.);D

You can buy  pre-made flounder rigs at any bait shop, Dick's, or Wal-Mart.  Another option is to tie your own.  If you choose the latter you'll need to pick up the following:


To tie your rig:
 
The finished rig should look something like photo D.

Are you with me so far?  My next post will be about sinkers and bait. ;D
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on February 07, 2008, 01:19:44 AM
Sweet article,  This one is a keeper.  Thank You
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs (Part 2)
Post by: Bucktail on February 07, 2008, 01:55:16 AM
The last part of your terminal tackle is the sinker.  Bank style sinkers are preferred here.  On most days you can get away with 3 oz. or less.  I generally bring sinkers ranging from 1 1/2 - 4 oz. and will normally use the 2 or 3 oz.  Now plain, unpainted bank sinkers will work, but since flounder are very curious fish I believe that painting them a bright yellow helps in attracting them to my bait.  I can't say for sure that it works, but it gives me more confidence, so I do it.  I do know that flounder are very curious creatures (hence the bright curly tails and corn beads).  

I have, in the past, simply colored my sinkers with spray paint.  Unfortunately, I found that the color quickly wears off of these sinkers in just a few hours of bottom bouncing.  Last year I purchased a product called Grip & Guard, which is designed to add a textured rubber coating to tool handles and such.  I took a few of my sinkers and dipped them in this product.  I'll try them out this year and let you know how they hold up. Notice how scraped and faded the sinker is on the left side in the picture.  That one was painted with spray paint. (Photo E)

Once you've got all the necessary pieces in place you will need to bait up.  The best choices of bait for winter flounder are bloodworms, sandworms, clam, and sometimes mussels.  When using worms I find its best to thread them onto the hook, covering most of the shank.  Leave about a half-inch to an inch of the worm dangling from the end for more attraction.  (Photo F)
Usually I will add a thin strip of clam to this as extra enticement.  

Although once you get them going in your chum slick they may suck down anything you bait up with, there are times when winter flounder can be very picky.  As with all fishing, you may need to experiment with different baits or bait combinations.  
Some days you may find they hit the rigs with a chartreuse curly tail better than a yellow one.  Other times you may want to remove all of that extra stuff and give them a more natural presentation.  I plan on trying some Gulp! bloodworms this year in either red or chartreuse.  It may work.  It may not.  To me, one of the most fun things about fishing is  figuring out exactly what you need to do to get them to bite. ;D

As far as locations; a few good spots to try for winter flounder (from South to North) are Meyer's Hole (near the Barnegat Light), Oyster Creek (both outside the creek and inside off the Route 9 bridge), the park by the old Point Pleasant Hospital, and the docks by the tennis courts in Shark River.  I'm sure there are a bunch of guys on this site that know many more good locations. And who knows?  They might even be inclined to share them. ;)

A few things I haven't touched on that are equally important in putting together a good catch of these flatties are tides, the proper anchoring technique and chumming.  Hopefully, one of you flounder sharpies or Captains on this board can address these important topics in this thread.

Good Luck! t^

-Bob
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hotrod on February 07, 2008, 05:50:23 AM
 ;D thud
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on February 07, 2008, 07:17:39 AM
Flounder rigs are one of the few rigs that I don't tie myself but rather I'll pick up a dozen or so pre tied rigs from The Outdoorsman (usually at one of the various fishing expos over the winter) as they are tied with Gamakatsu short shanked Chestertown style hooks. I prefer size #8 hooks.

One of my little tricks is to marinate the twister tails in clam juice the night before I head out to go flounder fishing. Makes for a nice little scent trail.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Wreckfish on February 07, 2008, 07:23:09 AM
Great info. Thanks for sharing guys
 TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on February 07, 2008, 07:39:03 AM
As as far as rod/reels. I have 2 set ups for floundering.

#1 is a 6' Shimano Carbonex spinning rod matched with a Penn 4400SS reel spooled with #15 Power Pro.

#2 is a 6' Ugly Stick matched with a Penn 9 level wind also spooled with #15 Power Pro.

I have another rod that is able to handle somewhat heavier sinkers and fish when fishing the deeper waters of the Cedars.

Years ago I used to look forward to starting my flounder hunt sometime in March (depending on how cold/snowy the winter was) in the Shrewsbury River system. In years past you could always put a catch together at the Quay especially around the slack. In the past few years however with the Shrewsbury bite not being what it once was, I concentrate on the back bay (Keyport/Morgan Flats, mouth of the Rartian River, Round Shoal) starting in April. I'll gradually move over by the ammo pier. Sometimes Romer Shoals is hot and other years it's the Cedars in very late April/very early May.

When there at the Cedars, you need to get on them cause they'll be there for a few days or a week and then overnight they are gone.

In the river and bay I like using sandworms. I'll also use mussels at certain spots in the bay. At the Cedars I'll also try a clam strip. Sometimes a combo of a clam strip & sandworm is the ticket.

Another trick that I like to do is to add a set of hooks to my chum pot. Now some might not find this sporting but when I'm floundering fishing I'm looking for tasty fillets. Many times the biggest flounder of the day will come off the chum pot. I'll do this wheather I'm on a private or party boat (although a chum pot caught flounder is not pool eligible).

FYI, in the past I've made a trip up to Quincy Massachusetts for a weekend of flounder fishing (used to catch alot of good sized cod too). I'm talking flounder where the average size is close to 15"s with many in the 18-19" class. If anyone is interested, I can try and set something up. In the past I've usually went the first weekend in June.

Past Quincy trip
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Sam3 on February 07, 2008, 07:55:58 AM
Great stuff guys! Keep it coming.  ;D
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 07, 2008, 08:35:09 AM
good info bucktail... t^

skolman is right you could just by pre made ones which are  goood quality...

i like they smaller black finish sproat hooks.

for shark river and manasquan any pole small conv or spinner will be fine for holding 1-4 ounces. up north a little heavier

chum and bait are really what will determine your success flounder pounding.

GREEN MUSSEL ARE THE FLOUNDER FAV
CORN
GRINDED CLAM

FROZEN IN NEWPAPER BAG FOR CHUM POTS


THEN THROW GREEN MUSSELS AND SURF CLAMS CRUSHED OVER THE SIDE..

Be patient as long as you are confident with your spot... its not uncommon to catch a bunch of flounder in small window of time when they turn on the more chum you got in the water the better.

its not uncommon for the flounder only to bite on one tide...

FOR BAIT

SANDWORMS, BLODDWORMS AND CLAMS ARE STANDARD.

GREEN SNOT MUSSELS (NOT BLACK) ARE GREAT AS WELL

TAPE WORMS ARE PROBABALY MY FAVORITE BAIT AND THEY USUALLY OUT PRODUCE ALL OF THE ABOVE... GETTING THEM IS A PAIN AND WILL LEAVE YOU WITH A SORE BACK BUT IS WORTH IT.... you must dig them at low tide and they are quick. keep them a live in a 5 gallon bucket of water, change often.

For artificial baits winter flounder is one of the few that GULP did not produce for me.

however Fishbites works amazing... blood worm immitation which really looks like tape worm...

small mr twister grub and miny shrimp work well as teasers in combo with bait....

After skippering teh normak flounder boats for 3 seasons and being on deck for 5 i still notice that the sharpies catch more flounder. they have the knack of short sinker bouncing which out produces the deadstick or high stick bouncing..

so go often and watch the sharpies flounder is a great fish to break the cabin fever....

hopefully we will be painted up by then, i will keep everyone posted... if not you will pronb see wayne and myself in the little camo







Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 07, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
Great info from all!  I'll be looking for you in your camo Jerry.  I'll either be on the Irish Ayes or my new to me 14'er.   TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 07, 2008, 09:22:23 AM
ohhhhhh t^ nice 14' perfect for the little honey holes

good for you...

see you out there
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 07, 2008, 09:26:18 AM
ohhhhhh t^ nice 14' perfect for the little honey holes



My thoughts exactly.   TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on February 07, 2008, 11:18:39 AM
GREEN SNOT MUSSELS (NOT BLACK) ARE GREAT AS WELL

Are the schnizzile  t^

Capt. Jerry, how do you keep the tapeworms from breaking? Every time I try to bait up with them they fragment apart.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hotrod on February 08, 2008, 07:39:04 PM
GREEN SNOT MUSSELS (NOT BLACK) ARE GREAT AS WELL

Are the schnizzile  t^

Capt. Jerry, how do you keep the tapeworms from breaking? Every time I try to bait up with them they fragment apart.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Ronster on February 10, 2008, 09:07:03 AM
Very informative descriptions and detailed pictures.

Thanks guys!    t^

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: CapBob on February 10, 2008, 09:13:09 AM
Will cime in with a Chum concocktion passed on from my Dad:

3 cans cheapo dog food, rice, corn, ground clams and tuna/bunker oil. mix up form 1 quart logs and freeze...............

Works out standing TT^ TT^ TT^ TT^

I also sweaten the slick with a mix of dry dog food/corn/rice every now and then thrown over t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 10, 2008, 09:18:48 AM
Put that concoction in an empty waxed cardboard milk quart container and freeze it.  Then you can just cut the milk container away when you go to use it.  Put it in a chum pot and your good to go .

Stacks easily in the freezer with no wasted space.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 10, 2008, 07:58:45 PM
GREEN SNOT MUSSELS (NOT BLACK) ARE GREAT AS WELL

Are the schnizzile  t^

Capt. Jerry, how do you keep the tapeworms from breaking? Every time I try to bait up with them they fragment apart.

you gotta put the pitch fork under where the rest off of the tape worm is once you get a piece up.

with 2 guys one guy hold a piece out then the other pitch fork the rest out...

some still break...

once you get half out of the ground you can pull the rest out usually

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: gottog on February 11, 2008, 01:12:33 PM
Gotta agree with the flounder master Capt Jerry P TT^

Love Gulp, but even tipped with real bait they did not produce.  Only fish to pass it by, go figure  5hrug

Can't wait for some Raritan Bay flounder ;D
Bass too.  Stupid fish can't even shake a tiny flounder hook ::)

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: bassnblues on February 11, 2008, 02:13:02 PM
Nice pile of flatties! Was that on the old SEa Pigeon?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: gymrat987654321 on February 11, 2008, 03:19:40 PM
Nice pix! TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: gottog on February 12, 2008, 01:16:22 PM
Old Sea Pigeon and the one is from Bobber's TNT TT^

I usually just tie on a store bought rig or one from the party boat I'm on.  I start off with the simple two hook rig and add a tiny twister tail.  Personally like yellow, white/pink, and red.  Green has worked too.
Tried Gulp sandworms but no good results.

Favorite baits are mussels and the ham-n-egg, sandworm/clam strip combo bait.  Can't be too big, but do need a decent length in the bait on the hook.

usually use my light flukin sticks for the winter flounder and have a couple light conventionals that are a bit softer in action that seem to work well for the fiesty flatties.

Hopefully get some nice ones this season on the Sea Hawk t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 12, 2008, 02:42:53 PM
Bucktail, where did you get the grip & guard?  I check home depot and lowes, can't find it in yellow.  Black and red only.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on February 12, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
Bucktail, where did you get the grip & guard?  I check home depot and lowes, can't find it in yellow.  Black and red only.

I use a product called Plasti-Dip. I usually find the yellow (I believe it comes in other colors too) at either Lowe's or Home Depot. Make sure you use in a well ventilated place as the fumes can be over whelming if not careful.

I usually open up a big paper clip and hang the sinker off that to dip. I'll dip once allow to dry and repeat the procedure several times until there is a nice hard shell.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 12, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
I check both places Skol and can only find it in red and black.  No yellow to be found in my area.   5hrug
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hunter 2 on February 14, 2008, 10:13:32 AM
Joe, try electrical or plumbing supply houses, Call them first, Save a trip.  grtn
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Sam3 on February 14, 2008, 10:22:47 AM
I found the yellow at a True Value hardware store. If you have one around by you, ask the owner to order it in for you.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 14, 2008, 10:31:21 AM
Thanks for the info guys.   t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Art Berkman on February 14, 2008, 01:28:39 PM
Did someone say Flounder  ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/51962/Art7781779.jpg?t=1203013679)

1st Charter for a few of us from this site will be Sat April 5th.

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: gottog on February 14, 2008, 01:30:24 PM
Yellow dipped sinkers are probably the most common, but green, red, and pink also work.  Sometimes better than yellow too t^

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on February 14, 2008, 01:31:36 PM
Boy I need to go out and fish and I think a lot of us on here need the same thing.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: fishinsurfer on February 14, 2008, 04:37:46 PM
First a question for Capt. Jerry - What are "green" mussels? I am familiar with your normal type of bank mussels, also the black/blue mussels which attach themselves to poles, bridge abutments etc. We normally use bank mussels. Here is a tip for you private boat anglers - take one of your rods and drop to the bottom, put in the rod holder next to the chum pot and slack off. Now take the line in your hand and lightly jig it right next (and i mean right next) to the chum pot. See what happens then. This only way to get your bait close enough to the pot to nab the smart flounders who suck the chum out of the mesh. (unless you put hooks on the pot) It works great and it is a pisser to go ahead and pull the fish in by hand. I usually hold one rod in my left hand and jig the "hand line" in my right. Guess Im hungry - it is alot of fun to catch them by hand-kind of retro. You may have to switch up your position with some of your crew as doing what I am suggesting is an all out bogart of the chum line. BTY did I mention that I LOVE flounder fishing?

Capt. Rick
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 18, 2008, 10:13:07 AM
thats them the ones that attach to the sod banks... bigger than the black/blue mussels on the pole...

looks like bronchitis when you break them open  rofla
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hotrod on February 18, 2008, 12:47:17 PM
Nice  job from all!!  This was front paged  t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hunter 2 on February 19, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
Will cime in with a Chum concocktion passed on from my Dad:

3 cans cheapo dog food, rice, corn, ground clams and tuna/bunker oil. mix up form 1 quart logs and freeze...............

Works out standing TT^ TT^ TT^ TT^

I also sweaten the slick with a mix of dry dog food/corn/rice every now and then thrown over t^

Where do you get and what is Tuna/bunker oil?
How is it sold? ???
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 19, 2008, 09:41:00 AM
West Marine sells bunker oil.  It comes in a quart plastic bottle.  I don't recall the price.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Wreckfish on February 19, 2008, 09:45:19 AM
Be careful with the bunker oil.  Get it on you deck and it is slick as ice.  Stinks to high heaven too!
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: eagleyankfan on February 19, 2008, 01:03:41 PM
Ok -- I'll bite --- why do you suppose a colored sinker is effective?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hunter 2 on February 19, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
I remember flounder fishing off Sheapshead bay in the 70's and seeing some oldtimers pounding the bottom of the bay with a long pole while anchored up. The pole was as long as the boat they were in. Does this attract flounder too? ???
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 19, 2008, 04:27:56 PM
Yes, it stirs up the bottom releasing tiny bits and morsels for the winter flounder to munch on.  Or so I have been told.   TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: gottog on February 19, 2008, 04:50:56 PM
Have seen people use poles even with a plunger attachment at the end, bouncing sash weights, etc.  Stirring up the bottom releasing small critters like shrimp and worms making a natural chum slick.

Painted sinkers do the same thing on a smaller scale and the color adds a little additional attractant.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: fishinsurfer on February 20, 2008, 10:16:23 AM
I have found that pounding the bottom with sash weights, poling with a plumger etc. works best when you get those times when there is zero current and still calm. Gets our flat friends interested and out of the mud to see whats causing a commotion. When the current is running, the chum pot brings em in best.
Capt. Rick
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on February 20, 2008, 11:14:07 AM
Not too long ago we used to put together a nice catch of flounder by drifting (you had to have almost no wind to get the desired slow drift) behind the clam rakers that work the flats off Atlantic Highlands & Leonardo. The clammers would stir up the bottom and create a natural chum slick.

On a side note, anyone else subscribe to the theory that the milder the winter the poorer the flounder run & the colder the winter the better the flounder run? Just my feeling that if we don't get some colder weather along with a few accummulating snow falls the water temps will slowly rise & by the time the season opens (Easter Sunday March 23) the flounder could already be out of the mud and moving. Especially in the rivers.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: fishinsurfer on February 20, 2008, 02:40:22 PM
Interesting Skolmann - Since I have been making the runs to the West to fish for flounders (started when my local area completely stopped holding flounder), I have noticed that the colder the winter, the better the fishing would be in the back of Raritan to
start. Seem like last winter was pretty mild except for one cold stretch. We had good fish
all the way in the back, and also in the back
of J-Bay. I guess only the fish know LOL.
My season does not start until April 1st. So I
as glad NJ starts earlier, hopefully I can get a read on where the bite is. That is if the weather is condusive for opening day.
Capt. Rick
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Capt -Jerry P on February 26, 2008, 08:46:44 AM
i agree skolman...

our best fishing used to be the first couple of weeks of march in shark river but in the mansquan it peaked in april every year..... the warmer the water the quicker they get out of there or big rains

when the fall used to be open we caught nice big flounders in shark river and the would catch them again in the beg of march..... then as the season progressed you would catch the little males which stay longer and tended to be the end of the run...same in late april /early may in the manasquan.

i think the kind of run you get is independent of the weather.... if its a great run # wise then more will be around even if it is warm winter

fall used to be a good judgement of run you get

   
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: bassnblues on February 26, 2008, 10:09:00 AM
Not too long ago we used to put together a nice catch of flounder by drifting (

A couple of years ago, I trailered the boat to Montauk in Oct for some Striper and Albie fishing. The wind came up and we couldn't go out. Found out that there's a good flounder fishery in Montauk harbor and that's how everyone out there does it..drifing for flounder. This was a completely crazy idea to me but we tried it and got a few nice ones.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: tomc76 on February 28, 2008, 02:17:25 PM
Yellow Plasti Dip - anyone know where to find??
Been to two Depots and one Lowes the last two weeks on other buisness, but always checked to see if they had it. I've only seen Red & Black........ 5hrug
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on February 28, 2008, 02:20:39 PM
I have been looking too.  Can't find yellow.  I did get yellow powder paint from Harbour Freight.  It was about $5.50 for a 10ounce container.  I did a dozen 2,3 and 4s with it.  Came out pretty good.  t^

I used a heat gun that I also purchased from Harbout Freight for $10.00   Heat for less than a minute and dip the sinker.  TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Sam3 on February 28, 2008, 02:29:49 PM
I posted this earlier guys,

But I found the yellow an the local Ace hardware. If you have one nearby, go in to check and if they don't have it, have him/her get it for you.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: tomc76 on February 28, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
All right then, looks like Ace is the place
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: mgm on February 28, 2008, 04:19:27 PM
Found a can of Plast-Dip in the tool section of my local Ace hardware. 25 days til the opener!
 t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: tomc76 on March 02, 2008, 03:16:38 PM
Ace was the place.....  t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ReelErIn on March 07, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
this is back from the old days throw small white stones the ones you buy in a plastic bag.
around the boat. chrz
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on March 07, 2008, 02:21:31 PM
Yup, throw them at the boat that pulls right up to you and anchors.  TT^  J/K, sounds like it should work as an attractant.

I checked 3 Ace Hardwares in my area before I finally found the yellow plasti-dip stuff. Thanks for the tip on Ace Hardware.

I put two coats of the plasti-dip stuff on some 2,3 and 4 ouncers.  I'm all ready to go.  I also have the sinkers I powder coated, will use both and see what holds up better.   t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: njdevil on March 20, 2008, 08:03:26 PM
Anyone ever fish for winter flounder off the Keyport fishing pier? How did you do and what type of bait did you use? Never fished for them before but I would like to give it a try. Thanks for any help!! ;)


NJDEVIL >:D
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: blynch on March 20, 2008, 09:22:37 PM
7'0 baitcasting rod- light action.  I use a Tsunami rod and a Corvalus (shimano) reel, 12-17.b test.  I like a weight w/ a hole in the middle, 1 1/2 oz, or a 3way rig.  Here's my hook... 
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on March 20, 2008, 10:09:29 PM
Anyone ever fish for winter flounder off the Keyport fishing pier?

Not off the Keyport Pier but I have had good success in the past off the Spy House/Port Monmouth Pier.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: catfish hunter on March 20, 2008, 11:14:59 PM
this is back from the old days throw small white stones the ones you buy in a plastic bag.
around the boat. chrz
I remember those days ,my ole man used to send me around to parks to fill a bucket up w/ rocks ,they worked in shallow water
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ChrisL on March 10, 2009, 08:19:59 PM
Do the inlets (Manasquan and Barneget) produce winter flounder from shore?  Or are winter flatties more of a from the boat deal?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Bucktail on March 10, 2009, 10:20:25 PM
I've never fished for flounder (from land) near the Barnegat Inlet, so I can't help you there.

I used to do pretty well for them at the park by the old PP Hospital.  But that was a long time ago.  I have since been told that there are condos there now.  I don't know if you can gain access anymore. :-\  The mouth of the canal and behind the old yogurt place (by the fisherman's memorial) might work for you.  t^

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on March 10, 2009, 11:49:14 PM
The building by the Fisherman's Memorial has been torn down but that has always been a good spot.

I have caught Flounder from the surf, one thing to remember is to fish the first slough as they seem to gather there as opposed to being out by the cuts.  They are an aggressive fish and will take just about anything you offer them.  I have even caught them on a teaser last year.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Bucktail on March 10, 2009, 11:52:50 PM
Paul,

Are you talking about fluke or winter flounder?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on March 11, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
This time of year it would be winter flounder.  Last year I did get a few especially in Ortley and a couple at IBSP.  Most of the fish I caught were on hi lo rigs.  Believe it or not last year there was an older gent fly fishing off the north jetty using streamers catching winter flounder like crazy.  He was out where the first stick is casting north.  I have a couple pictures of him that day if I find them I will post them.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ChrisL on March 11, 2009, 08:32:21 AM
I guess I'll be out trying all those spots mentionsed in a couple weeks then.  Better then sitting home.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: catfish hunter on March 11, 2009, 08:51:08 AM
opening day should be good this season ,dont wait long if you are gonna fish belmar they move fast down there
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Skolmann on March 12, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
Anyone ever fish for winter flounder off the Keyport fishing pier? How did you do and what type of bait did you use? Never fished for them before but I would like to give it a try. Thanks for any help!! ;)


NJDEVIL >:D

Not off the Keyport pier but I have targeted & caught flounder off the Spy House/Port Monmouth Pier.

I'll drop down 2 chum pots (on the down current side of the pier) and then cast out 3 rods in an arc around the pots.

Also have caught some nice flounder off the walkway in Liberty State Park.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: JackD68 on March 14, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
I'm more of a freshwater fisherman and am looking to get into some saltwater fishing. I will try out these jigs for sure. I am looking to head down next weekend (21/22nd). Would the  piers at Barneget Bay, Seaside Park be a good spot this time of year? I don't have a boat and am looking for good locations. Every bit helps,  Thanks.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on March 14, 2009, 09:09:19 PM
Welcome Aboard JackD68,

The piers will produce a little but if you go the the Mantalokin Bridge pier you should be able to come away with something as I have heard that they are catching there.  Sand worms or bloods and if you can't get them try clams this time salted would be just fine.

Good Luck and

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: JackD68 on March 14, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
I thank you for your info. should I be looking for it on the south-west side, next to the marina?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ChrisL on March 14, 2009, 09:31:33 PM
There's a small parking lot just west of the bridge.  It fills quick and is tough to back out of.  Just to the west of that lot (north side of the road) is the entrance to the marina, which has public parking for the pier. 
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: JackD68 on March 14, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Excellent!!! I will try it for sure. Thank You.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ChrisL on March 14, 2009, 10:05:45 PM
Keep in mind, flounder doesn't open till March 23 (a day after your planned trip). 
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on March 14, 2009, 11:09:22 PM
Good info Chris.  I have been busy tonight and the computer has been secondary. I am hearing that they have been getting small stripers there as well.  I might try going out on Sunday in the afternoon out back on IBSP.  The water has been warming y=up nicely back of A20.  I have to try out some of my teasers and streamers and some small plugs.

Paul
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: JackD68 on March 14, 2009, 11:57:22 PM
didn't know that. I guess I'll just prepare what I need and try to head down the following week. Thanks a bunch.
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Bucktail on March 15, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
Here's an interesting tip I got while talking to a guy who works with me.  He told me about this older man he knew many years ago.  Exactly how many years ago he didn't say.  But, at the time, bloodworms were selling for about .80/dozen!  You'll be lucky if you can find them for less than .80 a piece now!

Anyway, he said while everyone else used bloods to catch their flounder, this man would use clam strips soaked in (get this) beet juice!  He said that guy would catch just as many (if not more) fish than everyone else fishing with bloodworms. ;D

Have any of you ever heard of this?
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: harbor558 on March 30, 2009, 08:38:41 AM
Hey guys
I bought some gulp sandworms and blood worms and hopefully will get out this week to try them out.I will let you know if they work..Frank
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on March 30, 2009, 08:44:27 AM
Welcome Aboard Frank,

Your post will be read by many.  I have not decided if is like the Gulp or the Fish Bites as the season is still very young and it might not be a good test.

But that should not stop you from going out and trying your luck.

Where will you be doing your experiment?  I was over at the Mantolokin Bridge last week and did the same but had no hits, no bites, and no catches.

Again Welcome Aboard.

Happy Catching

Paul
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: tales on April 06, 2009, 11:36:35 PM
Hi all,
Im new to this forum, very interesting flounder methods.
I fish out of bklyn, mostly stripers. blacks, sea bass.

Rod/reel i enjoying using a G Loomis 7' 12-25 fast action Pro-Blue & Avet  SX 5.3:1 Single Speed Reel.

When we do go for flounders, a quality store bought rig is fine.
If i tie my own its with 25lb fluorocarbon & Gamakatsu #8 hooks with a sinker slider.  It only has about 6" of movement. So i could bounce, If i feel a bite i can let out some line without the fish pulling the sinker.

I like this setup for blacks.

Since im new i doubt i can post pics, ill try.
The beads are yellow (look white in the pic)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/yessongs/frig2.jpg)
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: ped579 on April 06, 2009, 11:55:18 PM
Welcome Aboard tales,

No you can post away we are not like those other sites that have tons of restrictions only ones that make sense to us.

The rig looks good and I am sure it works great.  I like the sliding sinker as I use a lot of fish finder rigs for just about everything.

Thanks for the post and again welcome Aboard.

Happy C~atching

Paul
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: bugmannj on September 07, 2009, 06:41:59 AM
Very informative, this old dog learned a few new tricks. thanks
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: brian8980 on February 10, 2010, 01:04:44 PM
Hoping to take in all the information here and build my knowledge base for the future years.  Cant wait to get out from all this weather and snow and get out on the water......

Gimper
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: wb on February 10, 2010, 04:46:28 PM
wait... winter flounder? I thought they were extinct....

or regulated out of existence  rgmn
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Bucktail on February 10, 2010, 05:50:08 PM
wait... winter flounder? I thought they were extinct....

or regulated out of existence  rgmn

Some may disagree, but I think winter flounder were under regulated out of existense.   rgmn
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Kenny on February 11, 2010, 12:17:18 PM


Some may disagree, but I think winter flounder were under regulated out of existense.   rgmn

Totally agree with you Bob...
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: WATSNEXT on February 11, 2010, 01:15:15 PM
I wonder what they intend to do, to replenish the fisheries or even if thats in the equation. In the comming years we'll see a marine license that won't be cheap. With the revenue from that will come more fish cops and a slew of regulation's to keep them busy and earning
I wonder if they plan to start hatcheries and stock the oceans?
Wonder if before I die will I have to buy a flounder stamp/weak fish stamp/whiting stamp/etc.

Or will they just regulate the recreational angler out of existence








Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Pfishingruven on February 11, 2010, 04:40:55 PM
wait... winter flounder? I thought they were extinct....

or regulated out of existence  rgmn

Some may disagree, but I think winter flounder were under regulated out of existense.   rgmn

I agree too!  Under regulated and mismanaged.  If it wasn't because a lack of Regs than it certainly was because of a lack of management of the species.  They need to find out why and what can be done.  I guess eventually, we may be able to add winter flounder to the same list whiting are on and soon to be weakfish :'(!

 nosmly
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: nmigliore on November 30, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
I'm sorry to bump an old thread, but what is meant by they are regulated (or under regulated) out of existence? Is there no more fishing for winter flounder in NJ waters?

If they are still fished for, is mid/late-March still the best season?

Thanks to anyone who can help out a winter flounder noobie :)!

Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IrishAyes on November 30, 2010, 02:23:14 PM
Winter flounder season opens March 23 and closes on May 21. There is a two fish limit and they have to be at least 12 inches.  :P
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: nmigliore on November 30, 2010, 02:54:04 PM
Ah okay, thanks man. Even though flounder is by FAR my favorite fish delicacy, I'm a catch-and-release guy with just about everything, believe it or not, so the limit doesn't bother me. :)
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: BigAl13 on November 30, 2010, 06:05:39 PM
Wow bucktail I'm glad the topic wasn't world peace. Thanks for the info my input is egg sinkers painted yellow or pink.Small pices of tape worm work well for me and small blood worms too. I use the sam set up as my shallow fluke rod especially with tjhe stronger currents and the smaller fish its important to me not to dead stick but hold the rod and don't be over anxious because then tend to slurp on the bait
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Scott G. on December 01, 2010, 02:10:58 PM
 TT^  Great Info. Thanks Guys    TT^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: fellinger on February 29, 2012, 01:03:22 PM
I know this was a very old article but, I found it very informative. I see several people mentioned Manasquan/PP. I hope to have the boat in the water in the next two weeks or so.

Do you think the Manasquan is productive this time of year to just take the wife and kids out to catch a few? Would the sod banks before or after the railroad bridge be my best bet?

Do you know where I can get chum in the Manasquan area?

Fred
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Wreckfish on February 29, 2012, 01:36:10 PM
Mouth of Canal and mantoloking bridge
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: BigAl13 on February 29, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
I know this was a very old article but, I found it very informative. I see several people mentioned Manasquan/PP. I hope to have the boat in the water in the next two weeks or so.

Do you think the Manasquan is productive this time of year to just take the wife and kids out to catch a few? Would the sod banks before or after the railroad bridge be my best bet?

Do you know where I can get chum in the Manasquan area?

Fred

No need for any of that go buy 2 sand worms, drive to the bridge, drop down to the bottom, reel up flounder, repeat last two steps, go home with limit. t^
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: Hotrod on February 29, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: fellinger on February 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I know this was a very old article but, I found it very informative. I see several people mentioned Manasquan/PP. I hope to have the boat in the water in the next two weeks or so.

Do you think the Manasquan is productive this time of year to just take the wife and kids out to catch a few? Would the sod banks before or after the railroad bridge be my best bet?

Do you know where I can get chum in the Manasquan area?

Fred

No need for any of that go buy 2 sand worms, drive to the bridge, drop down to the bottom, reel up flounder, repeat last two steps, go home with limit. t^

Nice! I am just looking for something to wet the line. 2 fish to take home is ok for me. Who knows, maybe an unlucky striper could be found on a dead stick.

Fred
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: IKAT on February 29, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
I know this was a very old article but, I found it very informative. I see several people mentioned Manasquan/PP. I hope to have the boat in the water in the next two weeks or so.

Do you think the Manasquan is productive this time of year to just take the wife and kids out to catch a few? Would the sod banks before or after the railroad bridge be my best bet?

Do you know where I can get chum in the Manasquan area?

Fred

No need for any of that go buy 2 sand worms, drive to the bridge, drop down to the bottom, reel up flounder, repeat last two steps, go home with limit. t^

Nice! I am just looking for something to wet the line. 2 fish to take home is ok for me. Who knows, maybe an unlucky striper could be found on a dead stick.

Fred
3/1/2012
Title: Re: Winter Flounder Rigs
Post by: blynch on February 29, 2012, 07:31:47 PM
I know this was a very old article but, I found it very informative. I see several people mentioned Manasquan/PP. I hope to have the boat in the water in the next two weeks or so.

Do you think the Manasquan is productive this time of year to just take the wife and kids out to catch a few? Would the sod banks before or after the railroad bridge be my best bet?

Do you know where I can get chum in the Manasquan area?

Fred

Grab a chum log at brielle b&t by the bridge in brielle.  I've never done that well with winter flounder but there is definitely a fishery for them in this area.  Upper barnegat seems to be alittle better on the whole, like the canal mouth or the mantoloking bridge.  I mostly look for whatever structure has the warmest water.  Unfortunately, the sod banks in the river do not really drop off to deep enough water to be fishable at most tides.