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General Forum => Product Reviews => Topic started by: Hotrod on April 28, 2008, 08:58:32 PM
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What do you or have you used and how would you rate it on Price and Performance?
A good topic for the search engines and those looking for a new Rod and Reel for the up coming season.
Please use Part #'s and any specs you have if possible.
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light weight loomis rod with a penn spinning 440ss. total of about $300.00.
Fluke rods need to be very stiff to feel every bump of the bottom. When this is paired up with a good reel and braid line, you can't go wrong.
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I swear by the Fenwick HMX Trigger Strike. HMXT66MHC or 70HMC. Paired with an Abu Garcia Record (RCN60HC) reel with 30# braid. Can't be beat.
Retails for probably around $250. t^
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Fluke rods need to be very stiff to feel every bump of the bottom. When this is paired up with a good reel and braid line, you can't go wrong.
Umm, no they don't.
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Bass Pro Extreme Woo Davis 8-17lb rods are my main fluke rods for myself.
1 6'6"mh, the other 7'm. $100 each.
Ocean Master 200 and 400 gold reels, about $100 each as well. 10 and 30lb braid.
Also have some Bass pro bionic blade rods a bit heavier for when I need a bit more weight to hold bottom. Ocean master 400's on those.
For the wife or kid, light spinning gear. Fin nor 5' 8-12lb spin rod w/ Okuma Epixor 20 w/ 20lb braid.
Deep water, ocean fluke I have a few setups, but the new go to will be the custom GUSA 7mh rod, Avet Sx 5.3 w/50lb braid.
Inshore, freshwater type gear is the way to go for fluke (and bluefish to in my book).
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Fluke rods need to be very stiff to feel every bump of the bottom. When this is paired up with a good reel and braid line, you can't go wrong.
Umm, no they don't.
??? ??? ??? of course you want to feel every bump of the bottom to determine a bite or structure so you know how to set the hook. When I used my ugly stick, I can't feel a thing which creates a worse hook up ratio.
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7ft Shimano Compre with a Calcutta 400B w/30 braid.
Bought some M/H Bass pro shop baitcasting rods on e-bay and some Shimano Corvalus 300 reels with 30 lb braid.
Those are my guest rods. ;D
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braid on almost any real will make a difference.
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Ugly Stick Med-Hvy 6'6",matched with a penn 975 with 40lb braid. around 325.00.
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Shimano Torium 14 ($170) on a Lamiglas inshore classic IC 70 MH ($140) good all around inshore rod and can handle weight up to 8 oz for deeper water fluking, still sensitive enough for using in the shallows.
Avet SX Single speed ($200) on a GLoomis Pro Blue PBR - 843C ($240) another good all around setup for both deep and shallower water.
Shimano Calcutta 400 ($200) on a Shimano Clarus CSC 70 MH ($70). Nice back bone with a soft tip. Perfect for bucktailing jigs up to 3 oz and very sensitive. Setup more suited for fishing shallow with enough backbone to lift a decent fish.
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Fluke rods need to be very stiff to feel every bump of the bottom. When this is paired up with a good reel and braid line, you can't go wrong.
Umm, no they don't.
??? ??? ??? of course you want to feel every bump of the bottom to determine a bite or structure so you know how to set the hook. When I used my ugly stick, I can't feel a thing which creates a worse hook up ratio.
And that has NOTHING to do with a VERY stiff tip as you said.
You want a sensitive tip which has nothing to do with a VERY stiff tip.
Funny, I used an ugly stick fluking in 100' of water with braid and felt EVERYTHING with it.
I GURANATEE most experienced fluke fisherman DO NOT use a VERY stiff tip for fluke fishing. That is evident by all the rods listed in this thread so far.
Most have been MH heavy action which is FAR from being very stiff (no matter what blank you are talking about).
Maybe you need to start using conventional tackle if you think you need a very stiff tip to feel bottom TT^
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a stiff rod will not help you hook up ,I use very light action rods and it makes a huge differance in my catchs ,why would you want a rod w/ no play it is like useing a broom stick
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The only time I prefer a VERY stiff tip is snagging for bunker ( I have a 5' XH rod perfect for it), or a tip on the heavier side (still not ultra stiff) for blackfishing and using a LOT of weight to get down to bottom.
M to MH freshwater gear is perfect for inshore fluking (and MH in that lb class would be considered light for saltwater).
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I'm not talking about a meat stick, I am taking about a light weight Loomis. Very sensitive tip, but not alot of play in the blank.
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There ya go, always talkin' about your meatstick
rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla
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I'm not talking about a meat stick, I am taking about a light weight Loomis. Very sensitive tip, but not alot of play in the blank.
That does not + very Stiff tip tho.
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There ya go, always talkin' about your meatstick
rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla rofla
cfzd
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debate, debate, debate, debate, This isn't a democratic post, is it?.. ;D See ya out there soon pal.
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Wish I would have seen this thread before I came to work as I don't know all my fluke rod & reel model #'s off the top of my head.
All my fluke reels both spinning and conventional are spooled with braid. To be honest, I don't think I could be an effective fluke fisherman if I used mono.
As a general rule (at least for me), I like a softer tip on my conventional rods but also one that has some backbone & power from mid blank down on my fluking sticks. Rods that I use for bucktailing I like alittle stiffer to help 'snap' the bucktail.
Will post my roster of fluking sticks later tonight.
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:)
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By the sounds of it, most prefer the same action on the rod, just referring to it in different terms. TT^
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Last Season I didn't have an outfit for Fluke so I used my "goto" Rod and reel a Tsunami TSMG661XXH with a Penn Torque 200 with 50lb mono.
This Season i'm going to try a Tsunami TFSC-66MH with a Quantum Accurist AC570PTs and 15-20 pound Braid.
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50lb mono.
??? ??? ??? ??? for fluke? 5hrug
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By the sounds of it, most prefer the same action on the rod, just referring to it in different terms. TT^
Not in Nick's case hhppy
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My 3 Favs:
Lite:
Shimano Calcutta rod CLC66m w/ Garcia Ambassduer 5500
Med:
Crowder Shoreline SLC708 w/ Garcia Ambassabeur 6500
Heavy:
Loomis Bucara br863c w/ Garcia Ammbassadeur 7000.
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From shore and for light bucktails I use a custom ImpactDNY spinning rod with a Tica Camry 3000 spooled with 14# Fireline. I use this for tossing 3/8oz jigheads tipped with Gulp, spearing, or soft plastics as well as buktails under 1.5oz.
Theresa uses a Lami XPS704 teamed with a Tica Camry 3500. Also uses a custom Lami Muskie stick for heavier weights and dragging bait with the Kil-R-rig. Not sure of the model of that one.
From the boat, my go-to bucktailing stick in the bay is a custom GUSA 704DHX with an Abu 4600 C4-W(3.8gears) spooled with 14# Fireline. This is good for 1 to 4oz bucktails with the sweet spot being 1.5-2ozs. Spiral wraaped conventional of course t^
For heavier bucktails, dragging bait, or live bait, another custom GUSA SW70MH with an Abu 5600 C4-W spooled with 20# Fireline. Can fish up to 8ozs with that set up, but sweet spot is 4-6ozs.
I had another SW70MH made that's a bit longer and doesn't have split cork grips that's my newest rod for porgies and seabass, but doubles for deep water fluking as well. Theresa also has one made on the identical blank, but with purty pink wraps ;)
These are all graphite rods with fast/very fast tips, yet have a bend/action that is more akin to a composite rod. TT^
For bucktailing, especially very lightweight ones, braid is key. For dragging bigger baits, mono does work just fine, however, almost all my reels are spooled with braid/superlines. I even fish for the bouncy porgies with a graphite rod and braid chrz
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50lb mono.
??? ??? ??? ??? for fluke? 5hrug
Yup, I've been a Mono fan all my life and just now switching over to Braid. We do alot of deepwater stuff and if something big grabs my hook I want to make shure I get to see what it is. ;D
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By the sounds of it, most prefer the same action on the rod, just referring to it in different terms. TT^
Not in Nick's case hhppy
rofla rofla rofla I don't know how to catch FLUKE... Mike, can you please teach me this season... chrz
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50lb mono.
??? ??? ??? ??? for fluke? 5hrug
Yup, I've been a Mono fan all my life and just now switching over to Braid. We do alot of deepwater stuff and if something big grabs my hook I want to make shure I get to see what it is. ;D
makes sense.. thats whats great about braid.. you can still use the 50 lbs strength, with the diam. of 10 lbs test.
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Only if you lose the spinning reels :)
I never said you couldn't catch them, only that you use feminine tackle to do so ;)
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SPINNING REELS!!!!! Might as well just wrap some line around a coffee can. ;D
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another reason for a stiffer rod... I light my light weight loomis because it can still handle a 5 oz weither without the tip bending over an hitting the but... Most light weight rods can't handle the heavy weight. From what I used in the past, loomis is the lightest, stiffest rod that can handle a good amount of weight..
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Love my new GUSA SW70mH. handled live bunker and blues to 12lbs with ease.
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SPINNING REELS!!!!! Might as well just wrap some line around a coffee can. ;D
hey now.. did you guys forget.. I did switch this season..
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chrz
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What do you or have you used and how would you rate it on Price and Performance?
A good topic for the search engines and those looking for a new Rod and Reel for the up coming season.
Please use Part #'s and any specs you have if possible.
What do you use Rod? ;D
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The reason for this post t^
I Joe will be picking up a pair of his favorites t^ Hope they come faster than the hats t^
Old set up's are Pen 100's on a 6' ugly sticks
Nothing special..
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Using the same format as bassnblues, these are listed from light to heavy. The first two are my favorite back bay combos. The second two are mostly used out front.
Rod: 6'6" Shimano JHC66MX w/ extra fast tip, rated for 8-17lb. line and 1/8 to 1/2 oz. lures
Reel: Shimano Calcutta 150 w/ 20# braid
Rod: 7' St. Croix Avid AC70MH fast action, rated for 10-20 lb. line and 3/8 to 1 oz. lures
Reel: Shimano Calcutta 250 w/ 30# braid
Rod: 7' St. Croix Tidemaster TC70MHF fast action, rated for 10 -20 lb. line and 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz. lures
Reel: Penn 955 w/ 30# braid
Rod: 7' G. Loomis MUR843C MH fast action rated for 12 to 25 lb. line and 1/2 to 2 oz. lures. This rod is great for up to 10 oz. of lead and I've had as much as 16 oz. on it in a pinch with no problems.
Reel: Shimano Calcutta 400 w/ 50# braid
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Nice setups Bucky!
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Conventional
1-Penn First Stike IMS 6'6"/Okuma Induron 250 spooled with #15 braid. Usually use 3 ounces of lead or less bucktails in the 1-1.5 oune range
2-Custom Lamiglas 7'0"/Shimano-TR100G spooled with #20 braid. This was my primary fluking stick last season. Usually hang between 3-6 ounces of lead on it. Can hold up to 8.
3-Shimano Atlantic Series ATL70M 7'0"/Shimano TR-100G spooled with #20 braid. Didn't use this allot last season but did the season prior. Nice set up for dragging bait when you don't need allot of lead.
4-Bogan Custom Fluke Rod 7'0"/Shimano TR-200G. This set-up I use mainly for live lining snappers but will also drag bait in the ocean with
4-Penn GLS 700 7'0"/Penn 955. I have a pair of these and Jason has one all with the same reel spooled with #20 braid. This is my main bucktailing stick in the ocean. Jason will also pull bait with his. Best used with 3-4 ounce bucktails but can handle 6.
5-Shimano Compre CPC 70MH 7'0"/Abu Pro Rocket 6500 spooled with #30 braid. Haven't fished this yet but will be my go to rod for bucktailing with 6 ounces.
6-Custom wrapped Lamiglas 7'0"/Penn 965 spooled with #20 braid. Was my go to rod 2 years ago. Nice soft tip with plenty of backbone. Still love this rod and will use it more this season.
7-Custom wrapped Lamiglas/Shimano Tekota 600 spooled with #30 braid. This rod I use when fishing the deeper channels when you need 8 ounces (have hung 20 a few times when eeling in Ambrose) and for deep water ocean fluking. Also sees duty as an eeling rod and blackfishing stick
8-Daiwa Procaster PR52T/Shimano Calcutta 250. Have a pair of these spooled with #10 mono. Haven't used these in a while. I like using these when fishing areas like the Belford flats and dragging a single spearing on small hooks. Also make great weakfishing set ups.
Spinning
9-Shimano CarboMax SCM60M 6'0"/Penn4400SS spooled with #10 braid. Used for fishing off the Keyport & Port Monmouth piers. Sees double duty as a flounder set up as well.
10-GLoomis SJR 722 6'0"/Shimano Stardic 2000FG spooled with #10 braid. Fished with 3/8-3/4 ounce bucktails. Love using this rod when bucktailing places like the Manasquan River.
11-Rogue SJ664S/Shimano Stradic 4000FH spooled with #15 braid. Fished with .75-1.25 ounce bucktails. My go to bucktail rod when fishing water under 25'.
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All of this thread reminds me of Lee Trevino discussing what driver to use to improve a tee shot.
He replied.... "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian" ;D
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He is a smart man. TT^
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Nice Job Guys..
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Hey Guys I'm a little late on this one. By now I'm sure you know I tend to fish on a budget and hate it but we do what we have to do. Our fluke rods are Shakespeare Ugly Sticks
M# BWC1120 medium heavy action in either a 6'6" or 7' model. It's good for weights up to 8 oz. match it with a simple Penn reel Model 209, or I just bought a GTO220 for the wife this year, Whole outfit is going to run about $125. I like the Penn reels because they are simple to service and have proven theirselves over the years. t^
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Remember the quote MGM posted about Lee Trevino. That holds true for fishing as much as anything else.
For fishing, it's not the rod and reel that catches the fish. It has more to do with presentation and knowing where and when to fish.
Granted, you get a better feel of what is going on down below with the braid line, composite rods, etc, but you still have all the other variables that go into catching a fish. t^
Use what you have and enjoy the sport. slt
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I'll bet there's more Fluke caught with an Ugly Stik than all the other models that were mentioned here combined.
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Yea. But we look at our fishing equipment like our wifes look at their jewelry. and since my wife can sit and watch jewelry TV all day. it's time for me to update my Jewelry. t^
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great way to put it rod.
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I'll bet there's more Fluke caught with an Ugly Stik than all the other models that were mentioned here combined.
I started out with Ugly Sick rods and caught fish, however my catching and enjoyment went up significantly using rods crafted just for me and for specific uses like bucktailing. TT^
Right tool for the job helps a lot. chrz
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Just picked up a Cabo 20 and will be placing it on my new custom spinning rod hopefully by month end. Will report back on how the reel and rod are. slt
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t^
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Well the Cabo spooled up nicely and balances on it's temporary home of my good old Lami flats popping stick(XPS704)
Had some 10# Tuff Line XP in yellow so on it went. Takes a good amount of it too. Can't wait to fish it. TT^
Spooled up T's purple Avet SX with some pink Fireline too.
My blue Avet SX does seem to have some play in the anti-reverse ??? Not as much as a Newell but significantly more than T's purple one.
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Gotta say I'm luv'n my Cabo PT 20 TT^ TT^
Smooth as silk, casts great, reels smooth, drag is like buttah. Think T wants one now hhppy
I didn't really use my Avet SX but T fished her's for ahile this weekend. Says it's real nice. Reels nice and smooth and no issues with the pink Fireline. TT^
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good subject here....glad to see it lives on t^
Great info........
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LOOMIS ROD MEDIUM WEIGHT
Ambassadeur reel level wind
Great for jigging big bucktails in 70 feet
for August Mats
Ross
Lady J TOO
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Bought my wife a TICA 7' MH spinning rod with a Penn Real Pursuit 4000. It's a nice outfit for Flukin as far as I am concerned and cost $170.00.
Ask a man what he prefers in woman and you will get a hundred opinions,and the same goes for fishing equipment,guns,golf clubs,Bats....etc.etc. Sometimes what we like isn't always right but that's what makes the world go round. I thought the subject was rate the outfit you bought. ovrbt rofla
(Making reference to early post)