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General Forum => Product Reviews => Topic started by: bassnblues on August 29, 2008, 10:04:53 AM
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Even though I don't deserve such a nice rod for Blackfish because of my lack of Tog skills and terrible lack of fishing time this year, I got a nice deal on Ebay on a brand new Lami Triflex BL7030C...$110.00.
I was thinking of getting a Shimano Tekota to go with it...any thoughts or suggestions for other models?
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old faithful go with a jig master less than $50 can get 2
or newell
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The Tekota sounds like a great matchup......I use a Shimano CalcuttaTE 401 matched with a Bass Pro Musky stick when fishing the more shallow waters for Blackfish; and for heavier conditions where more lead is required, I use a Trinidad 16N matched with a heavier rod.....both are pricier than the Tekota, but the Tekota will work as well at 1/2 the price or less.
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Capt. Jerry is a togmaster! t^ But for what its worth, I like my Shimano Torium 16, which is like the poor man's Trinidad. I originally bought it for vertical jigging, but it's great for deep water bottom fishing. It has a super high speed retrieve (6.2:1) which takes up 42 inches of line per crank! But it still has a lot of power due to the oversized gear case (what Shimano refers to as HEG or High Efficiency Gearing).
Good luck with whatever you choose! ;D
-Bob
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Newell 229 or a Daiwa Saltist 30H. t^
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Second vote for a Newell 299. But before you buy one, bring it in to a tackle shop that carries Newells to make sure it fits on the reel seat.
Tekota 500/600 is also a good choice.
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Newell 220 TT^ 229 is good too but like the smaller profile of the 220.
Tekota should work as well. slt
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I'll take a look at the Newells. It'd be nice to buy American.
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Current models are the S series. Come standard with 5.1:1 gears. Some prefer the modified 3.8:1 gears making it more like a winch. With smaller reels like Abu's I think that makes a big difference, but the stock gears on a Newell S220 works just fine IMHO. I have a few 220 and 229's and a larger 300 series. They all work well. Theresa has a modified 229 with the lower gears. Honestly, I really can't tell the difference in reeling either of them up 5hrug
The BL7030C is a nice rod. The 220 should fit very nicely on it and balance well. Can spool up with braid/superlines or mono and will hold enough to fish inshore as well as the 17 Fathoms area. The Newells are a bit noisy, but workhorses requiring little maintenance.
Here's a few tog T caught using her Newell TT^
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Newell 220/229 on a Seeker BA-85 Rod t^....enough said ;D
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Capt. Jerry is a togmaster! t^ But for what its worth, I like my Shimano Torium 16, which is like the poor man's Trinidad. I originally bought it for vertical jigging, but it's great for deep water bottom fishing. It has a super high speed retrieve (6.2:1) which takes up 42 inches of line per crank! But it still has a lot of power due to the oversized gear case (what Shimano refers to as HEG or High Efficiency Gearing).
Good luck with whatever you choose! ;D
-Bob
That is exactly why 9-10 people lose a fish of a lifetime. trying to reel 42inches when he decides to dive.
Blackfishing is a simple concept nuting fancy.
Rarely use a drag, rod take shock, real nice and slow after out off bottom.
Thoses Fancy tuna jigging reels better for DEEPWATER bOTOOM FISHING SUCH AS LING AND GIANT C BASS.
Most blackfishing done 60-100ft no need for crazy ratio or super expensive drags.
Use heavy line good hooks and reel
Go with the Newell
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Looked at some pic of the Newells. Call me a wuss but I think having no level wind would get annoying...
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Thoses Fancy tuna jigging reels better for DEEPWATER bOTOOM FISHING SUCH AS LING AND GIANT C BASS.
:P :P :P
I love the spool lock feature on my fancy tog reel the Ocea Jigger grtn Definetely overkill for most inshore fishing, but it's sweet. hhppy
Non-levelwind isn't really a problem and soon becomes second nature. Theresa learned very quickly how to use it.
As Capt Jerry stated, nothing really fancy needed. Once you get the tog hooked and a few cranks off the bottom, slow-n-steady is key. Let the rod fight the fish while you enjoy the ride t^
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i do love all of your and t rods. I know you got a few nice customs...
Thanks gt for the advive on the graphiter rod last year love it
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Capt. Jerry is a togmaster! t^ But for what its worth, I like my Shimano Torium 16, which is like the poor man's Trinidad. I originally bought it for vertical jigging, but it's great for deep water bottom fishing. It has a super high speed retrieve (6.2:1) which takes up 42 inches of line per crank! But it still has a lot of power due to the oversized gear case (what Shimano refers to as HEG or High Efficiency Gearing).
Good luck with whatever you choose! ;D
-Bob
That is exactly why 9-10 people lose a fish of a lifetime. trying to reel 42inches when he decides to dive.
Blackfishing is a simple concept nuting fancy.
Rarely use a drag, rod take shock, real nice and slow after out off bottom.
Thoses Fancy tuna jigging reels better for DEEPWATER bOTOOM FISHING SUCH AS LING AND GIANT C BASS.
Most blackfishing done 60-100ft no need for crazy ratio or super expensive drags.
Use heavy line good hooks and reel
Go with the Newell
See? That's why Jerry's the Togmaster and I'm just a guy that fishes for tog now and then! ;D Thanks for the lesson. t^
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i do love all of your and t rods. I know you got a few nice customs...
Thanks gt for the advive on the graphiter rod last year love it
Billy is now building "factory custom" GUSA rods. He had some composites made up specifically for him and the type of fishing we do here locally. Some sweet blanks, plus he's also building on the graphite GUSA blanks as well. A custom rod without most of the fancy threadwork he's famous for, but still 100% of the performance crafted for the individual TT^
You can check them out at the northeastrodbuilders site.
T's go-to tog'n stick is the Calstar while mine is the GUSA MegaMax 80. Both are using the Ocea Jigger reels, but the back-ups all have Newells on them. I do have two "loaner" rods that have Penn 965/975 on them though ;)
Hopefully get out with you this season Capt Jerry as I know you'll work hard to put every trip over fish chrz slt grtn
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Can't provide much input after the sharpies have spoken but I had to go for an AVET for my bottom fishing reel. I fish lefty, choices are limited. rgmn
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I've been using an old Jigmaster but it needs attention so I switched over to my old 320 GTI. Either way I still can't get the knack for those tasty bottom dwellers. Matt.
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Thanks for the great info everyone...
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As someone who tog fishes very infrequently, I have learned a lot through this thread and a couple of other similar ones here on NJSWF. So, I have decided to revamp my tackle to something that might be more appropriate.
First, (and I don't know any other way to phrase this, so here goes) I got a chance to handle Captain Joe's rod the other day. (Giggle, giggle ;D) Anyway, he has the Lamiglas TFX7040CT. To me it felt very similar in power and action as my old G Loomis musky rod. So I decided I'm going to try that rod for my next blackfish trip.
As far as reels, I've decided against using my Torium since, according to Capt. Jerry, it has too high of a gear ratio for this application. I don't have a Jigmaster, but I do have a slighly smaller Penn Beachmaster 160 with a Jigmaster handle on it that I haven't used in a long time. I'm just not sure how these old Penns hold up with braided line on them. But I guess we'll see. ;D
Any of you toggers out there have any thoughts on this combo?
Thanks,
Bob
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I have been using the Jig w/metal spool and 3/o metal spool Penns;they are in excellant shape(rebuild when needed)and do the job fine.
The guys that tog fish more often will make some good suggestions with newer models I'm sure.
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I'd just try the Torium IMHO. I love my OJ that is 5.1:1 as well as my Newells that are the same. Just reel slow t^ I know a few guys that use trinidads and toriums for tog'n and do well.
The penn should work too. Throw a little mono backing on and then the braid. slt
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Actually GT, although I originally bought it for jigging, I have already used the Torium for bottom fishing and I love it. It's nice to be able to crank your line up from 100' at warp speed when its time to check your bait! ;D
I was only thinking about going to my that Penn because Capt. Jerry said a lot of tog are lost by using high speed reels. I think I'll give the old Penn try the next time out. I haven't used it in such a long time. Its only got a 3:1 gear ratio. So I'll be doing a lot of cranking! t^
But, who knows? Maybe I'll like it better. I'm kind of thinking it'll be cool to fish with this old reel again. ;)
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Nuting wrong with a high speed reel, its just not necessary for blackfishing. Just got to take it easy if you hook a big fish. It will work fine as long as you dont try to reel 42 inches agaisnt a 12lb tog because something will give usually not the tog.
with 3:1 you wont be doing too much reeling
blackfishing is about the same depth as fluking
for a good chunk of the season. Right now they are biting from 25-70ft
for 100ft or deeper high speed are aces.
If ya like it i wouldnt change it unless you were losing alot of big fish.
Go whats comfortable to you Bob
Lots of people use them and like them.
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Hey Bucktail I have about 8 toriums now, I swear by them. Just have to adjust your speed to the specie. I use these reels from bait fishing to tuna. I originally got this reel for bottom fishing, they have not let me down. t^
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after reading this... I have realized... I still dont own enough GEAR... nosmly
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The only gear I really have is for fluking and blackfish. I make it work for most other things t^
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No matter how much stuffffffffff we have,its still less then the wife's pocketbooks and shoes. TT^
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No matter how much stuffffffffff we have,its still less then the wife's pocketbooks and shoes. TT^
Ummm... Not my wife's. But don't tell her that! ;D
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I have great success with the Calcutta 400 or 700 used in conjunction with the G Loomis M/H or H triggers rods. You'll feel every bite of these cunning fish as they try and suck out that crab bait.
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Newell 220/229 on a Seeker BA-85 Rod t^....enough said ;D
Thats one of my set ups, I also use the old proven jigmaster or a daiwa 47h.
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I use the Penn 321LH GT2 and an Ugly Stick for my Blackfish needs. I have enjoyed it. Can't wait for blackfish 2009. We need it.
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I'm not an expert, but I am a BIGTIME researcher of equipment. Look into a Shimano Tallus - TLC70MHA rod with a Shimano Tekota 500 reel
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I use the Calcutta 400 with my G Loomis trigger rod and I've had excellent success with Blackfish. I've taken fish up to 19 pounds.
I recently purchased an Avet SX 5:3:1 to supplement my Calcutta reel. Does anyone have any experience or comments on this reel ??
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I looked at the Avet SX, but the MXL was a better fit for my XH rod. That being said, I went the other way and got the Tekota 600. Haven't tried it yet. I figured rather go too heavy than too light. If I decide to downsize in the future, Capt. Rich showed me a few rods he has in stock that would pair better with the SX or say a Torium 14.
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Time for a "Bump on this Topic" !!
Happy Tog Season chrz chrz