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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 09:43:43 AM »

THe way I look at this is "our"government is taking ownership of the oceans and "selling" shares back to the highest bidder. How long will it take to change allocations to push us out? THe way it is now seasons, size and bag limits are very restrictive. THis will be more restrictive ! Add MPA's and you get the idea what their goal is.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 09:59:05 AM »

But this wouldn't really affect the Recreational Fisherman.. would it?
Catch shares  WERE a commercial tool. The head of NOAA herself (The Assistant Administrator's BOSS) has said that while voluntary, catch shares MUST be available as a tool for both commercial AND recreational fisheries. The "Oceans of Abundance" report, which this new push for catch shares is based on, SPECIFICALLY talks about catch  shares for the recreational sector.

US Congressman Rush Holt, one of the panelists of the Oceans of Abundance conference told me and capt. Ron and Henry TO OUR FACES with his scientific staffer ON THE PHONE that catch shares were most certainly for the commercial AND the recreational sector.

This quote is from the December 10, 2009 NOAA press release on catch shares:

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“From Florida to Alaska, catch share programs help fishing communities provide good jobs while rebuilding and sustaining healthy fisheries and ocean ecosystems,” said Dr. Jane Lubchenco, under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator.
“Although this is a national policy, our emphasis is on local consideration and design of catch shares that take into consideration commercial and recreational fishing interests.”

This quote is from the NOAA Document "Catch Shares: A Fisheries Management Tool"
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Recreational Fishing — Current catch share programs focus on commercial fishing groups. However, there has been recent interest in exploring their use for managing recreational fishing, which would involve assigning catch share privileges to individual anglers or sectors. All fishermen benefit from the increasing fish stock and reduction in time and effort restrictions.

If you would like links to the various NMFS document I will be happy to provide them. Gotta get back to work.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2010, 08:15:29 PM »

we as recs are in bad shape when anti fishing zealots are in charge of our fisheries!
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2010, 12:30:47 PM »

The latest news on this subject...to me it is a scary direction that we are heading in.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20101104_catchshare.html
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »

The latest news on this subject...to me it is a scary direction that we are heading in.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20101104_catchshare.html
 I agree Joe  Angry NOAA is looking for "limited entry" into fishing,period !!!!!! Not just commercial but all of us.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2010, 09:17:12 PM »

and the article is written so in their favor...sickening
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2010, 06:13:11 PM »

and the article is written so in their favor...sickening

Of course.  It is a press release, not an objective article.

Here's what the RFA put out today on this subject:

NOAA'S CATCH SHARE POLICY SETS A TREACHEROUS COURSE
Coastal Community Expresses Concerns Over New Federal Fisheries Agenda


(11/5/2010) - Assistant Administrator of Fisheries Eric Schwaab this week announced that recreational anglers were being completely ignored by the administration.  In the National Catch Share Policy release issued by NOAA Fisheries Service, Schwaab said angler opposition to privatizing our national oceans was being disregarded, and announced that NOAA Fisheries would not be listening to individual anglers anytime soon. 

 

While NOAA's new federal policy of ignoring input from within the coastal communities was embraced by some members of the national fishing tackle industry, the new policy has raised serious concerns with grassroots political organizations and coastal legislators. 

 

"I have expressed considerable concern over the impact that catch shares may have on the recreational sector," said Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ).  "I believe our priority should be improving the science and management of fisheries and that promoting another management tool until those issues have been fixed will only continue to hurt our coastal communities."

 

As a national grassroots political action organization representing the rights of saltwater anglers, the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) is extremely frustrated by NOAA's new direction.  "Mr. Schwaab's take on this dangerous policy is laughable at best," said RFA Executive Director Jim Donofrio.  "Mr. Schwaab claimed to hear from the angling community, but I'm not sure where he was at the time he heard it, perhaps at some Environmental Defense Fund junket, certainly not anything that local anglers were invited to."

 

On Thursday, NOAA officially released their new national policy "encouraging the consideration and use of catch shares," a fisheries management scheme which Schwaab called "an effective tool for ending overfishing."  According to Donofrio, catch shares will end overfishing primarily by eliminating fishermen.  "When we testified before Congress about catch shares in April, we made it clear that our allied groups do not support catch shares in the recreational sector," Donofrio said.  In testimony on behalf of RFA, Marine Retailers Association of America (MRAA), Fishing Rights Alliance, United Boatmen, United Boatmen of New York, Maryland Saltwater Sportsmen's Association (MSSA), National Association of Charterboat Operators (NACO), Southern Kingfish Association (SKA), Conservation Cooperative of Gulf Fishermen (CCGF), New York Sportfishing Federation, and New York Fishing Tackle Trade Association, Donofrio told a congressional committee that the use of catch shares in the recreational fishing sector "would destroy the traditional open access structure and collapse the entrance of new participants in the fishery." 

 

"All of the aforementioned groups, including the RFA, are adamantly opposed to any catch share program in the recreational fishing sector, in any way, shape or form," Donofrio testified, adding "This is a fact that cannot be compromised.  We do not want any discussion on any program that compromises traditional open access of seasons, size limits and bag limits."

 

"I also believe that by specifically targeting local fishing businesses for catch shares will only continue to hinder growth in our coastal economies," Pallone said, adding "overly restrictive management of fisheries is already hurting coastal businesses and we need to pursue policies that promote growth in coastal communities which is why I introduced the Coastal Jobs Creation Act and the Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act."

 

"We've fought too hard and for too long to keep this catch share policy out of our sector, we cannot let NOAA continue to ramrod this policy through Councils in direct contradiction to the wishes of our fishing community," Donofrio said.  "Clearly our federal bureaucracy is not listening to the will of the people."

 

"At a time when our retailers are suffering from reduced participation due to the struggling economy, the last thing we need is a new federal policy designed purely to reduce angler effort," said MRAA President Phil Keeter.  "We need more recreational fishermen, not less."

 

"Obviously you've got a public resource which should remain public, and no one should have to pay to access it," said SKA Director Jack Holmes.  "It's been a tradition in America since before the Declaration of Independence was signed."

 

"MSSA remains adamantly opposed and wants no part of catch shares," said Dave Smith, President of the Maryland sportfishing group.   

 

"When the draft Action Agenda was sent to us to review, I made it clear to Russ Dunn (NOAA National Policy Advisor for Recreational Fisheries) and Eric Schwaab that we did not want any catch share plan in the Gulf," said CCFG and NACO representative Capt. Bob Zales, II.  "When we were asked to attend the Recreational Fishing Summit back in April we were told that business as usual from the past was over and there would be a new effort of cooperation between NOAA/NMFS and all recreational anglers. It is clear to me that we have been duped once again."  Zales added that as a member of the federal Marine Fisheries Advisory Committee (MAFAC), he was "grossly offended" by references made to "pilot recreational catch share programs" which NOAA included in their Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Action Agenda released last week. 

 

RFA says the NOAA Catch Share Policy is wrought with catch phrases and flimsy definitions, some of which are especially dangerous to future sportfishing opportunities, even non-commercial gamefish species.  "We're extremely concerned about the impact the NOAA catch shares policy could have on Highly Migratory Species (HMS) fisheries and offshore tournaments," Donofrio said, explaining how the final policy includes a catch share definition that unequivocally stops all fishing once limits are met.  "The way it's written, this excessively restrictive definition could even prohibit catch and release fishing which is a major component of the nation's recreational billfish fisheries including sailfish and marlin."

 

Donofrio said the idea of individual catch share privileges and fish tags in mixed commercial/recreational fisheries like red snapper, sea bass and scup were bad enough before the policy was set.  "We knew that assigning privilege and charging royalties for harvested species would eliminate the average center console angler, but now the fate of offshore access is completely thrown into question when you read the whole policy."

 

In an article by Richard Gaines of the Gloucester Times, RFA managing director Jim Hutchinson said "When you read this release and see how Mr. Schwaab is promoting catch shares through a $2.2 million funding initiative supported by Wal-Mart and Intel Corporation, it's hard to think how anyone in our recreational fishing industry can be anything other than outraged at this announcement." 

 

"This is bureaucracy at its best, you have a federal law which mandates you fix the data problem, but instead of meeting the initiative in the allotted deadline, you host outreach sessions, reallocate funding toward new initiatives and send out press releases," Hutchinson told John Oswald of the Asbury Park Press. 

 

"There's nothing palatable about this catch share manifesto, especially the way that NOAA is jamming it down our throats," Hutchinson said. 

 
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2010, 09:11:52 PM »

  Catch shares  "Enough said" 
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2011, 11:44:29 AM »

Older thread, and I'm a new guy here, but I have to say, if they're giving the rich all of my peice of the pie in every other part of my life, I'll be damned if they take my fishing away.

Catch shares or not, I'm going fishing, and to hell with anyone who fines/stops me. I'm not going to sit about and not fish because a group of rich paper tigers are selling shares of uncaught fish to rich guys and investors.

Pass it or not, I am going fishing.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2011, 05:24:58 PM »

Gents,

The catch share debate most certainly has an impact on the recreational fishing community, and there absolutely have been official proposals calling for the creation of 'catch shares' within the recreational sector.

Wanna fish for fluke?  Do you have a tag?  Let's say there are 100,000 fluke tags made available during a season - these would in fact be 'shares' made available on a 'limited entry' basis.  Once those 100,000 tags are issued, it's all over. 

Who would buy those tags?  Perhaps the state of New Jersey's Fish & Wildlife Department could - sell them to the public or make 'em available to their closest allies. 

What if PEW or EDF got involved in the auction and bought up all the tags as highest bidder and then tossed them in the garbage so no one could fish?  Or corporations bought them to act as lead generators - "Hey buy an ACME sportfisherman this weekend and I'll give you 250 fluke tags!"

How about giving tags away as Christmas Presents?  Sounds bizarre?  Truth is stranger than fiction my friends, as pointed out by these silly elitists from Texas.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/Beta/GMFMCWeb/downloads/BB%202009-08/B%20-%206%20Is%20There%20a%20Better%20Way%20to%20Manage%20US%20Shared%20Commercial%20&%20Recreational%20Fisheries.pdf
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2011, 07:34:38 PM »

 
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2011, 08:28:46 AM »

Gents,

The catch share debate most certainly has an impact on the recreational fishing community, and there absolutely have been official proposals calling for the creation of 'catch shares' within the recreational sector.

Wanna fish for fluke?  Do you have a tag?  Let's say there are 100,000 fluke tags made available during a season - these would in fact be 'shares' made available on a 'limited entry' basis.  Once those 100,000 tags are issued, it's all over. 

Who would buy those tags?  Perhaps the state of New Jersey's Fish & Wildlife Department could - sell them to the public or make 'em available to their closest allies. 

What if PEW or EDF got involved in the auction and bought up all the tags as highest bidder and then tossed them in the garbage so no one could fish?  Or corporations bought them to act as lead generators - "Hey buy an ACME sportfisherman this weekend and I'll give you 250 fluke tags!"

How about giving tags away as Christmas Presents?  Sounds bizarre?  Truth is stranger than fiction my friends, as pointed out by these silly elitists from Texas.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/Beta/GMFMCWeb/downloads/BB%202009-08/B%20-%206%20Is%20There%20a%20Better%20Way%20to%20Manage%20US%20Shared%20Commercial%20&%20Recreational%20Fisheries.pdf


As I said above, they can sell all the tags they want. They can bill me for any fines. I'm going fishing.  thumbsup2

Thanks for the welcome, hotrod!
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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2011, 09:16:52 AM »

Sounds like one way or another, the days of going fishing without kicking up to the government are going to be over sometime soon. 


Not to open a can of worms but IMO, rec fisherman need to either get on the train or be run over by it. A SW license may be the lesser of 2 evils.
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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2011, 10:40:45 AM »

I don't see how a license will help this issue. 

This issue affects everyone, those with a license and those without. What good does it do them? How will a license help us?

Look at all the rediculous restrictions the states with licenses still have. Some are worse than ours with their closed areas and such. In Florida, you need a book to page thru to see what is in season and what isn't. Sorry, but a license is one arguement I will not give into.

As far as the catch shares issue. I am not, nor will I ever be, rich enough to want to support that. That is what comes down to, who can afford to fish. 
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« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2011, 10:58:58 AM »

Actually, I think Florida has gotten it right.

They realize the value of a thriving rec fishery and the money it brings in so they have enacted an inshore net ban and regulate species according to the biology of an area. They also have great access with things like ramps and fishing piers.

I'd rather see a state license with the money going to the F&G dept than some federal agency that's in the pocket of comercial fishing.
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« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2011, 12:00:25 PM »

I am by no means that experienced with other state's fisheries but...can you fit this in your wallet?  Grin

http://myfwc.com/media/1349466/2011_jan_sw-chart.pdf

I look at this and see many closed dates for a lot of fish. I know they do have many more species than we do so that would account for such a long list. It can be overwhelming to the average guy who wants to wet a line.

Not argueing the point with you, just trying to understand other's opinions on a license and present mine.  thumbs up
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« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2011, 02:13:37 PM »

I can definitly see you points and I mostly agree with it.

But, I think it's comming and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
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« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2011, 02:35:31 PM »

I can definitly see you points and I mostly agree with it.

But, I think it's comming and there's nothing we can do to stop it.

I definately agree with ou on that statement. It is a shame that it will come down to this.  Tongue
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« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2011, 03:37:32 PM »

The license proves nothing, since the state doesn't stock salt water, nor does the fed. The regulations are out of control. It's all about greasing pocket liners and back door deals that deny any of us our voices.

As far as being run over by the train, or getting on it, I'll step to the side. Besides, I know ALOT of areas game wardens won't even bother checking because they'd get the tar whipped out of them for bothering the locals.

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