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The Surf Fisherman Forum => From The Surf => Topic started by: ped579 on November 28, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
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Hi All,
Went out today but I was lazy and stayed very local, Ortley Beach. It was a west wind and felt cold but the tide and the water looked great so I figured why not. Grabbed my small 8 footer and threw on an ANA A17 and started to throw away. Before long bam a small striper around 26" about 15 min later bam again another short. Tried a new lure a small 3" P-nut bunker imitation and bam another hit this time I lost it in the suds. I knew I should of sharpened the hook.
Oh well not to bad for the bite being off for a while. Talking to others there was some good catching from Ortley down to Gillikinds on IBSP. Theren was a small fleet right in front of the Seaside Heights fishing pier for most of the day.
I am going to try and be out there early Sat. and see what happens.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Good job Paul. Nice to see you are pulling them in. t^
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Cool Paul t^
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Yeah, I got to get out now and then.
The strange thing about the bite though they are not hitting hard, almost like a fluke would hit. I lost a couple at first but then it registered I had to strike harder when I felt the tap.
It worked... ;)
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Nice job Paul! t^
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Paul,The Bam action made the trip worth while
Was anyone fishing bait or was it all on metal?
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Nice report Paul. Thanks. t^
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Great catch! Glad to see the lure action has picked up.
TT^
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Hey AJ, I would say the majority of all the fish I saw and heard about were caught on lures. Because It was cloudy it seemed that the yellow bomber and the yellow Mambo Minnow or any thing yellow for top water was working.
As for me and a lot of others it was all on the bottom with metals. But like I mentioned above the retrieve on the metals was slooooow and low. I am tying up a few teasers to try I hope for tomorrow in red. I was told the past few days, red was the key color for these little helpers. So I will give it a try, the only problem I only have red in marabou at this time, so I don't know how that will turn out.
I will post pictures when I figure out the scheme. Maybe I should go with a Christmas theme of red and green??? 5hrug
What ever, it should be fun putting them together.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Here is a quick pix. I have no idea why it started to unravel I guess Murphy was up and lurking... grtn Sorry
The hook size is a Gamakatsu 2/0 seems to work real well in the vice. It is a baitholder hook but you take what they got. :-\
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different strokes for different folks ;D
Never tried all red but let us know how it works.
It seemed as like the other day the bait was a bit higher in the column, once i sped up the retrieve, I caught more.
I totally agree on the bite, the dab I caught the other day was probably the fiercest hit of the day. ;D
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Way to go Paul. t^ <'((((><
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Thanks Paul.
Yes I know Red is not one of those colors I carry a lot of in my bag. Just got some new metals,hope to give it a shot SundAAAAAAAy morn. AJ
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AJ just remember use a slooooow retrieve.
And as for the color captainbailey , I know it sounds weird but now there are 2 guys who swear by it lately. I guess a fish perspective of color is quite different and as red is the first color to disappear under water and turn into a value of gray it is not to far off the shades of gray of the bait probably.
If it is not to nasty tomorrow I will be giving it a try and let you know how it works out.
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The color red starts to fade after sinking to a depth of about 12' or so. I would imagine that in the shallow surf red would hold up pretty well. t^
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OK
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Bob there are many conditions that one has to take into consideration and here is a small blurb on other factors that will lessen the 12' mark you suggest.
herre is a response to a similar question:
Dr. Bogus
Indeed your information in correct. Light is absorbed by water according
to wavelength with the longer wave radiation (red) absorbed first. Maximum
transmission is for short wavelengths of light (blue). This is the case
for radiation in the VISIBLE range. The peak in transmission for water is
in the blue wavelengths. Beyond blue, even shorter wavelengths such as
ultraviolet, absorption increases again.
This absorption accounts for the disappearance of color from lures because
the color of light must be present to be reflected back to your eyes and be
seen. In other words, a red lure will appear black in deep water because
no red light is present to reflect off the lure.
Please note however, that this is the case for clear water, such as the
open ocean and pristine lakes. In nearshore waters, that contain high
amounts of colored suspended material, the colors that reach the deepest
will probably be green and yellow. This is only because more blue light is
absorbed at shallower depths, not because green and yellow reach greater
depths.
Something to consider.
Paul
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Good information Paul. TT^ Naturally you always have to take water clarity into consideration. One thing to add to that then is that if the red is not holding up, then those throwing black teasers should have the same catch ratio as those throwing red teasers.
BTW, the guy's name is really Dr Bogus?! rofla
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I was wondering if you would pick that up but yeah it is his name. ;D
I think why you have the difference in catch ratios is because you never think of using red for the most part. I know I haven't till a friend started using it this summer and has done quite well.
The thing is I don't think it turns a complete black in the shallower waters but a sort of brown as the color is not totally gone but 60 - 80 % is diminished by sand and other particles suspended in the water from the wave action.
I will be tying up a few more different patterns today and see what happens I will keep you posted.
Happy Catching
Paul
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A t^LWAYS NICE TO HAVE SOME WIGGLING RESISTANCE ON THE OTHER END.
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That is very interesting! The science of fishing...believe it or not it is not all LUCK!?
Anyone know why they say red evokes a feeding instinct in fish? Or is this just a marketing ploy? You see it all the time on alot of freshwater lures and hooks in general.
TT^
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Red is the first color to disappear. that is why auto insurance was always higher for red colored cars.
Why circle hooks on the teasers? I have a hard enough time using circles bait fishing, let alone fighting the urge to sink the hook in while I have a rod in my hand. And in that case, do you change the hooks off of your metal to circles 5hrug
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Why not??? I tie all my own stuff so I experiment with different things and a number 3/0 to 6/0 circles seem like a good sizes to tie so why not give it a try. It cost me about $.50 to make a teaser so I have different color patterns and different hook sizes so now I will be trying different hook styles.
If you don't give things a try you will never know if things will or won't work. I have been at this thing for over 50 years and I enjoy the total sport. I sit at the computer at night and chat to a lot of interesting people and during the day I do a little writing for a project I am involved with. So when ever there is a lull I tie something.
As far as crossing the fished eyes on every tug sounds to strenuous. I am always looking to make things easier, I have had good luck with circles with bait so it just seems like the obvious thing to try. 5hrug
Happy Catching
Paul
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That is very interesting! The science of fishing...believe it or not it is not all LUCK!?
Anyone know why they say red evokes a feeding instinct in fish? Or is this just a marketing ploy? You see it all the time on alot of freshwater lures and hooks in general.
TT^
It has been said that the color red looks, to a fish, like blood or (more likely) the flash of a fish's gills. That is why many, many baits (both fresh and salt) from crankbaits to jerkbaits to bucktails to poppers to whatever are either painted or tied with a bit of red near the gill, mouth, or throat area.
Of course, this is all just theory. I still haven't met anyone who asked a fish what they thought it was and managed get a straight answer out of one. ;)
Still and all, I like a little red on some of my baits at times. If it does nothing else, it may bolster my confidence in that particular lure a bit. t^
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As far as using circle hooks on metals been there done that with not to good success. If I can find some of the chatter from last year on that topic it should be a good read for you.
Don't be afraid to try something new you never know where it will lead. That is what makes this sport so fascinating. As a kid I used to make my own plugs out of old broom handles and they worked. We caught fish on them, it was for the most part free and the biggest cost was the pocket knife.
Explore and have fun... grtn
Happy Catching
Paul
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Paul..I will be fishing Saturday early in Normandy Beach if you want to meet up....
That area seems to be Little less fished then others..
Color: I change the color of the plug... Before the size....
I fish the black/silver mambo minnow in the ocean this time of year... This is my go to plug 100% of the time... The back bay only yellow day or night.... I change for the color of the water.
RED like your talking about... I'm not 100% sure my self... I just know it works...
I use a 36" red tube for trolling along the beach with the kayak...Why bass hit this red tubes...I don't know
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Hi Dave,
I will have to see whats up for Sat I know I have to be in Newark up north by 5:00PM but early morning sounds like it might work. Keep me posted.
I don't know why solid red works but Ray over at Grumpys swears by it lately. I just bought some supplies over at B&N as I will be tying some teasers with red as the predominate color. I was out the other day with no success I am looking forward to trying these red teasers to see what works and does not work.
Happy Catching
Paul
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Paul: I was able to get out early Saturday.... There was 2 guys fishing to the north of me using bait.... It was cold...I had ice on the rod and line.
I did get one little fish <))><... around 24"
but then I couldn't feel my fingers anymore so that was that.
I did stop at grumpys on the way home and saw a fish being put back into a truck... small but a keeper,
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At least you got out. This weekend has been a strange one as my wife tripped over my dog and broke her thumb. Luckily it was not a total break but it did chip a little and went back into place. You won't believe the colors that thumb is turning. :-X
She was told not to go to work but hey when was the last time a women ever listened to a male anyway. 5hrug
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OUCH!! Hope she is feeling better, Paul.
TT^
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As long as she stays on the Perkoset she should be fine till the swelling goes down.
It took over 3 hours to get in and out of the emergency room. We were the only ones there that early in the morning. I can't figure it out. I wish the doctors were paid on their performance like the rest of us... :P nosmly
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I wish the doctors were paid on their performance like the rest of us... :P nosmly
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If that was how they got paid 1/2 of them would go broke LOL
Hope the wife feels better Paul......
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Thanks guys, she made it through the work day today sore but she kinda knew that was the norm for the day. And with out pain pills as well, not bad.
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Glad to hear your wife is on the mend, Paul! I've been itching to break in my new neoprene waders but can't find the time! Almost made it out in NJ Thanksgiving weekend! Had everything in the trunk and ready to go, but it wasn't in the stars.
How's the circles and the red working out on the teasers?
Anyone get out there this past weekend?
Jeff
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Hi Jeff,
The reds are still doing the trick for a few, but I am not to sure about the circles though, we will see. It is all about confidence when it comes to subtle changes.
I did not get out over the weekend family stuff and all that. It looks like I might not get out this weekend either, I'll see. We are going to High Tea at an old B&B in Ocean gate on Sunday that should be an experience. I have to think where to hide the flask... rofla rofla hhppy hhppy
As far as fishing here it has been pretty good for those that ventured out, with a lot of small bass to be had and a keeper now and then.
The bait of choice is the AVA's in the 007 or A17 size with a chartreuse or green tail for now. They are saying that many are also using teasers and seem to be getting hits when nothing else has been working.
The other choice was the Storm Shad in pearl white or the natural color.
Good Luck if you venture out.
Happy Catching
Paul