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NJ Saltwater Fisherman => Fisheries Management => Topic started by: SHARKBITE on February 04, 2014, 07:23:40 PM
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thd >:( rgmn
So they announced today that we will go to a regionalized fishing program contrary to public sentiment and input for fluke and seabass...2014 means 4 fluke bag limit at 18 inches...feel sorry for the charters and party boats...
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Bend over men........ thd rgmn
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nosmly
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What even as much as an I Love You . Their sticking it to us . nosmly
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They just listened to us to make us feel warm and fuzzy.......and then did what they wanted to do anyway........... nosmly
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Since me and Nick like sushi Will be bringing cooked rice, wasabi soy sauce and a very sharp filet knife.Catch and eat.
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How long a season? 5hrug
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128 days
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128 days
Yep....Only until they declare we over fished our quota in NJ and we have to give some more up to NY or CT
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Have they changed the regs for commercial too?
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Of course, what NJ anglers are lamenting, NY anglers are applauding. They have been fighting for a more equitable split of the fluke fishery for some time now.
Governor Cuomo Announces Approval of Regional Management of Fluke Fish
Press Releases
By Long Island News & PRs Published: February 04 2014
Albany, NY - February 4th, 2014 - Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced that members of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission have voted 7-4 in favor of a proposal to put New York in a region with New Jersey and Connecticut, requiring the same rules for fluke fishing for all three states.
“Today’s vote requiring that New York’s fisherman be held to the same standards as those in neighboring states is a big victory for our fishing industries, especially on Long Island,” Governor Cuomo said. “For more than a decade, New York’s saltwater anglers have endured the toughest fluke regulations on the eastern seaboard – regulations that were unfair and caused the local fishing industry to lose money. As Attorney General and Governor, I have worked with New York’s fishing industries to make the fluke quota more fair and equitable; today, our hard work has paid off. I applaud ASMFC members for righting the status quo. This approval will go a long way in helping to grow New York’s recreational fishing industries.”
This summer, Governor Cuomo sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Commerce calling on the agency to undertake an immediate reassessment of regulations pertaining to the amount of fluke that may be legally caught by commercial or recreational anglers. The Governor also warned the Federal Government that New York State was prepared to file suit if action was not taken to ensure that New York’s anglers get a fair deal.
Click here to view the Governor’s letter to the U.S Department of Commerce. (http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/02042014-reg-mgmt-fluke-fish)
Since 2002, states from North Carolina to Massachusetts have managed their recreational fluke fisheries using state-specific harvest limits, or “quotas,” based on estimated harvests from 1998, the last year all states had the same rules for fluke. However, the fishery has changed dramatically since 1998. In that year, the fluke population was just rebuilding with mostly smaller fish available for harvest. Today, that stock is rebuilt with many older larger fish available. Significantly, fluke tend to move north and east as they age and grow, resulting in an increase of fish available to New Yorkers. Thus, the distribution of fish currently does not resemble that of 1998. Under regional management, New York anglers will be given the same access to this rebuilt stock as those in states to the north and south.
http://www.longisland.com/news/02-04-14/governor-cuomo-announces-approval-of-regional-management-of-fluke-fish.html (http://www.longisland.com/news/02-04-14/governor-cuomo-announces-approval-of-regional-management-of-fluke-fish.html)
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While I do like that we have the same regs as NY because most of the time I fish areas that can be considered either or, these regs suck.
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While I do like that we have the same regs as NY because most of the time I fish areas that can be considered either or, these regs suck.
Exactly, because next year we will be 19" and 2 fish. We all know that is the objective.
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Tom "Bobber" Is gonna limit out in ten minutes ;D
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This is BS but we all knew it was coming sooner or later. We are now in an uproar and arguing about what NY got and NJ lost. This is what these morons want to happen.
divide and conquer/rule
"a way of keeping yourself in a position of power by making the people under you disagree with each other so that they are unable to join together and remove you from your position."
The ship is sinking quickly and PETA and the rest of these lobbying groups have a wealth of money to use against us EVIL FISH MURDERERS.
I saw an article this morning on another site that something called the Stellwagen Bank National Marine Sanctuary is trying to close 55 SQ Nautical Miles to all RECREATIONAL FISHING on Steelwagen Bank.
Unless we stand UNITED as recreational fishermen no matter where we fish, we are DOOMED.
Tight Lines,
Bob G chrz slt
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I actually think this will help the AH fluke fleet by opening up the NY waters like Ambrose and the VZB area where bigger fluke are.
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We must always vote for those who protect OUR many interest and rights. Morons have to be voted OUT and their appointees dismissed when the time comes. fngr
Support those who support us. Dump those that do not support us:Democrats,Republicans and Wal Mart included. fngr
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nosmly
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WTF! I'm with Uncle Luna on the Fillet & Eat!
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Any news on how wide they want us to spread our cheeks for the Sea bass this year?
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I actually think this will help the AH fluke fleet by opening up the NY waters like Ambrose and the VZB area where bigger fluke are.
good point, I catchem bigguns in NY waters,
regarding the regionalization, did you really expect anything else? It's all about Schumer lookin like a rockstar. Politics blow, vote em out.
Ya Sista's A$$ has deep dark spots... only I know where. It is, after all, Ya Sista's A$$. I'm leaning towards the meat-to-eat, eff the man stance at this point. IN MY BELLY!!! >:D
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Any news on how wide they want us to spread our cheeks for the Sea bass this year?
MY understanding is,seabass regs will stay the same as 2013. the open season may start a week or two later Not sure just yet, lets hope not.
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I'm curious to see if any changes will be made for the Pelagics.
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Sheesh they are going to make the summer regs similar to winter flounder regulations at this rate.
thud
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Sheesh they are going to make the summer regs similar to winter flounder regulations at this rate.
thud
And don't be surprised to see the summer flounder season start in March and end in May and the winter flounder season be from May to September/October. nosmly
Damn, I hope I didn't give them any ideas. :P
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The recreational side just doesn't have the clout to change things.
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The recreational side just doesn't have the clout to change things.
If we fought as a group instead of amongst each other we would have plenty of clout. We just need to get organized, but that is almost impossible with everyone having their own agenda.
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Any news on how wide they want us to spread our cheeks for the Sea bass this year?
Darren, This year you'll need to spread'em 18", next year 19" and they are slowly working you up to 21" nosmly
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Since me and Nick like sushi Will be bringing cooked rice, wasabi soy sauce and a very sharp filet knife.Catch and eat.
you cant be serious. flounder sucks as sushi fresh.
filet and release will be very popular this year
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Hey AL is this you or someone else using that name? Either way wa
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Any news on how wide they want us to spread our cheeks for the Sea bass this year?
Darren, This year you'll need to spread'em 18", next year 19" and they are slowly working you up to 21" nosmly
OUCH!!!!
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Since me and Nick like sushi Will be bringing cooked rice, wasabi soy sauce and a very sharp filet knife.Catch and eat.
you cant be serious. flounder sucks as sushi fresh.
filet and release will be very popular this year
Fluke Sashimi is Fantastic! As well as Black Sea Bass. I always have some Wasabi & Ponzu on board. I know, the stuff is supposed to be frozen first to kill unwanted bacteria, but I eat it anyway.
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Any news on how wide they want us to spread our cheeks for the Sea bass this year?
Darren, This year you'll need to spread'em 18", next year 19" and they are slowly working you up to 21" nosmly
I'm not sure what I find more disturbing: the ever more restrictive fluke regulations or all you guys talking about taking it up the butt. :-X nosmly
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They only thing about sea bass is that we are looking at a 7% reduction. So you are going to have the same season as last year.
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They only thing about sea bass is that we are looking at a 7% reduction. So you are going to have the same season as last year.
Thanks for the info Fran. My question to them is...Why do we need any reduction at all if the sea bass is fully recovered and at the highest level in history? It seem that no matter how much sacrifice we make we are always required to make more. 5hrug
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That is the million dollar question. That can be asked for both fluke and sea bass.
We all chalk it up to bad science.
After listen to the meeting and public comment was just ignored and the other states that were going to vote it down change there votes at the last minute.
This does not help all the states this just helps one state. The sharing of the unused quote would have helped all the states. Now the unused quota will never be used. It just shows how the greed of one state and with the help of politics powers they can get what they want. To threatened the board at the board meeting with a law suit if they did not get what they wanted. NICE RIGHT
I was wrong in saying NY was not out to get NJ quota and it would never happen but it did happen. In MY OPINION they will say we overfished in 2014 no questions about it.
The fight will go
Also the fact that Capt. Adam was not able sit as the NJ rep and had to speak under the public comment is upsetting to me. NJ governor never signed the papers to make sure he got his seat back when there was the change in Cape May. The Governor was too busy with bridge gate. clp chrz
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Yes sir, politics as usual. thud
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I actually think this will help the AH fluke fleet by opening up the NY waters like Ambrose and the VZB area where bigger fluke are.
ttp.....Stay on your side of the bay.... pcrn
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And now for the left handed monkey wrench....
http://outdoortom.com/2014/02/new-fluke-regs-for-ny-nj-and-ct-not-so-fast/
I don't know how accurate this is, but figured I'd share.
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t^..Good read Chris, I guess only time will tell. They probably don't know where this is going yet...... chrz
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An update on the fluke regs from the JCAA Facebook page....
"The fluke and sea bass regulations are still up in the air but here is what I can report at this point. The NJ Bureau of Marine Fisheries (NJBMF)is working feverishly while trying to develop regulations that will best serve our fishermen. However, their hands are tied by the regionalization plan that was forced upon us by the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC). The NJBMF is currently working with the ASMFC and the other states in our region to resolve this matter.
Regarding fluke, we know that Connecticut, New Jersey and New York are all in the same region and therefore must have the same size limit, bag limit and season length. However, each state is allowed to select the exact dates for their seasons. We also know that it is virtually certain that the size limit will be 18" but there is now a possibility that there could be either a 4 or 5 fish bag limit. Research has shown that the harvest for our region would not be too much different with either a 4 or 5 fish limit. Therefore, it seems possible that even with a 5 fish limit, our region would be projected to stay under the quota. Season length is another issue that is being discussed. Addendum XXV approved a 128 day season but there are other factors in play and a 119 day season is being considered as well.
However, at the advisors meeting on February 27, we received some clues as to what our fluke season might look like. A number of proposals were discussed and there was a consensus that we wanted to extend the season as far into September as possible. In part, that is due to the fact that sea bass season will be closed by September 18 or sooner. At that time of year we are only allowed to keep one blackfish, so if the fluke season is also closed there will be little for inshore fishermen to fish for. Options that were favored by the advisors would have the season open on May 17 or May 23 and extend through either September 21 or September 27. Another option in play would have the season beginning on May 23 and end on September 18. Traditionally, our fluke regulations are set at the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council meeting in March, but we do not know if this will be resolved by then. There may have to be a special council meeting in April if the proposed regulations are not ready to be voted on by their March 6th meeting.
Regarding sea bass, the news is not good. We are in a region with Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York and Rhode Island. The region over fished its quota last year and depending on which data is used, the entire region will have to cut back by either 3% or 7%. Each region is given a quota and each state within the region is given a target quota to assist in developing their regulations. In 2013, New York harvested 125% of their target and Connecticut harvested 150% of their target...but New Jersey harvested only 61% of its target. New Jersey did its job in setting stringent regulations so that we did not exceed our quota but we still have to cut back by either 3 or 7%! It is unfair and hard to believe but that is the way it is under this regional plan...the states that exceed their targets are rewarded, while the states that under fish their target are penalized! I can only imagine how the regional fluke plan is going to work out.
At the advisors meeting a number of options regarding sea bass were considered and a couple of new ones were suggested. It looks as if the NJBMF will try to develop and receive approval for those options from the ASMFC. It seems certain that we will have a sea bass season that begins on May 19 with a 12 ½” size limit. We also know that the season will be closed from September 18 or sooner through October 17 or later. There is a strong possibility that the season could be closed by early to mid –August if the bag limit remains high. The options that were on the table at the meeting included those with 12, 15 or 20 fish bag limits. I personally suggested that the bag limit be reduced to 3-5 fish in July so that the season could be further extended into August or even September. The majority of advisors agreed with me on this as it would enable fluke fishermen to spice their catch with sea bass during the late season. The NJMFB agreed to develop this proposal but it is uncertain if the ASMFC will approve it.
The next meeting of the NJMFC will be held at 4 PM on March 6th at the Galloway Twp. Branch of the Atlantic County Library. The library is located at 306 Jimmie Leeds Rd., in Galloway, NJ 08205. It is uncertain if the fluke and sea bass regulations will be voted on at this meeting. However, a proposal to open the winter flounder season year round is expected to be considered. The size limit and bag limit will remain the same...two fish at 12”. So I wish I could tell you that the fluke and sea bass issues were resolved, but as for now, it's still up in the air. I will try to keep you posted on any decisions that are upcoming. You can also find updates through the Jersey Coast Anglers Association Facebook page. I post a lot of information there regarding fisheries issues." Paul Haertel
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The possibility of 5 Fluke sounds good. 3-5 Sea bass in July kind of worries me that if we are good with that limit, it could be put on us as a season long regulation at some time in the future.
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I still would like to know why we need to cut back even more on a fish that is said to be completely recovered (seabass).
I think what we really need is a limit set on the regulators. Unfortunately, they will not be happy until they make a (http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/6/pirateinhat.gif) out of everyone. (http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/u/crossbonesgif.gif)
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F&G needs to stop reading Jerrys reports.