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NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports and Information => Helping Each Other Out => Topic started by: Quadruplecccc on February 13, 2009, 05:31:21 PM
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Hi all! Was talking to a fellow recently who swears he read that NJ will have everyone purchase a saltwater fishing license. I've not heard this personally so I figured I would ask all you well informed people here. What have you heard on this ??
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it seems inevitable that we will need one within the next 2-3 years. Personally, i don't mind if the money will be put back towards the fisheries.
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...sure....the money actually makes it back to help...kinda like parkway tolls payin for the parkway. t^
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i haven't heard anything yet on it
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Nuthin' yet...the only way I won't be P.Oed (not that anyone would care anyway...)is if it is issued by and the money goes to the Fish and Game dept...
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I haven't heard anything and don't see anything on the State Website. I am sure it is in the works though. My guess is it will be announced sometime this year to begin on Jan 1, 2010.
I don't mind having to buy the license either, as long as the money goes back to the State Fisheries. Hopefully, the state will have a combo or all in one license so that no one has to have a freshwater and saltwater license 5hrug?
TT^
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This will be like the lottery going towards education.
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This will be like the lottery going towards education.
See that, you did learn something. That's what education is all about. ;D
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You think with all that lottery money going for education, people would wise up and stop playing the lottery! ;D
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yep, and gambling money will be AC's savior too. rofla
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Well, the current feshwater fishing and hunting license monies go into the general fund and not directly back to F&G. I suspect the saltwater license will do the same.
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I agree. There was no recent talk of a saltwater license prior to the feds wanting a registry.
The registry the feds want is only a list the names, addresses and phone numbers of people who own boats. They want this information so they (the feds)can conduct their survey on fish catches. This registry can be done without a paid license for saltwater fishing.
That leads me to conclude that the state would have no intention of putting this money into any fishing/outdoor fund as they were not yelling that they needed money for any type of saltwater fishing related funding. The money collected from any license fees will only be used so the politicians have more money to spend. That is the sad part about this.
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I have no problem paying the $15 for a license. I want to know if it will be just a general saltwater license? Of will there be stamps. As in trout. If you fish on party boats you will be covered.
Here is the problem I have. We BETTER have something to fish for. The government screws us with the Fluke every year. 2009 and beyond does not look any different. Sea Bass is going up half an inch. No big deal there. I guess Porgy's are going to 12 inches. That kills the inshore Porgy trips. Offshore is no issue.
Again, we better have something to fish for. We better not have to pay for even more regulations when now we get regulated to death and we don't pay.
To think, we elect these people and we pay their salaries. For what? Nothing!!
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I am not happy having to paying for a saltwater license if that license does not do anything for me but allow me to fish? That is like paying a fee to allow a person to breath.
If the money for the saltwater license was going to be used for the sport of saltwaterfishing in some fashion, I would not object to it.
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Joe,
Its the same for freshwater. You pay to fish. I have not fished for trout in about 5 years now. To be honest, I'd rather fish the ocean. Its just me. I'm hoping we sail this Friday on that Ling trip. I'd rather fish the Mud Hole than stand in the South Brach. Again, just me.
I will get one. Even though most of my fishing is on a party boat. So I am covered. But, I feel I should get one if its what we have to do. I do a little on the beach, only on vacation. And I have an open invitaion on someones private boat in AH to fish with them. So I would need one anyway.
If I lived in NY and was a big time FLuker, I would write to the governor and tell him you lost my revenue. You are wanting my money and I have nothing to fish for.
Its all a joke. Sorry I am so negative, but its really a joke. As I said, we elect these clowns and we pay their salaries and health care that we can't get.
Later
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Well I think the license is inevitable. Like everyone else I want the money to go back into the fisheries. But the reality is that it probably will not.
I heard some talk a while back and it sounds like it may be a year or two away.
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IF and WHEN a License goes into affect I hope they take into consideration the amount of people who live out of state like myself who have their own boats and fish regularly. If I have to pay $40 dollars for a out of state fishing license for me, wife, and my boys who are over 16. It can get crazy, so much for keeping family's fishing, plus the amount of people who travel to the state during the summer months and fish the head boats and beaches. If this happens once again the tackle shops and folks who make their living taking people fishing will be hurt. If they let me get a fishing license for my boat and anyone that fishes from it that would be nice. Which I'm sure they would do for Charter and Party/Head Boats. As Capt. Joe said The Money has to go to the right place. JUST MY TWO CENTS >:(
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If New Jersey can make some money off of it, then it will pass into law. Yes we will be paying to fish here inN J waters, also in NY, Delaware,& Pennslyvania waters. Hey, how about the NJSP sending their patrol boats, armed with the soon to be outlawed (for us) 50 cal. weapons, to enforce Jerseys license requirments. Then we can have some BWB shootings! <'((((><
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It will be the next wedge between us and our money. It will start of ATTEMPTING to be put towards the right place and cause and utimately be put into the GENERAL fund. And we all know where that money goes.... 5hrug
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From what I understand (and that's not much ;D) they are claiming that the administration of this registration/license is going to cost around $1,000,0000. I just don't see how it can possibly cost that much.
NJ already has a computerized license system in place. It has been around for almost three years now. So they wouldn't have to print new license books like they used to do. All they have to do is add it to the already existing system. They could even have folks register on their home computers. Collecting whatever data they would require of each angler would also be computerized.
How can it possibly cost that much? 5hrug
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From what I understand (and that's not much ;D) they are claiming that the administration of this registration/license is going to cost around $1,000,0000. I just don't see how it can possibly cost that much.
NJ already has a computerized license system in place. It has been around for almost three years now. So they wouldn't have to print new license books like they used to do. All they have to do is add it to the already existing system. They could even have folks register on their home computers. Collecting whatever data they would require of each angler would also be computerized.
How can it possibly cost that much? 5hrug
Have you ever seen the price of a toilet seat the government buys. cfzd
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Have you ever seen the price of a toilet seat the government buys. cfzd
LOL! Actually Joe, those are justified. You see, they are special toilet seats. They're made extra strong to handle the huge amount of crap the government spews out! ;D
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just remember the old saying:
a penny saved is a result of Goverment Oversight! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I know most everyone's first response is " no way do I want to pay more money to the government especially to fish in the ocean"!
But we really do need to come up with a saltwater license (where the monies go back into a fund set up for fisheries). It can be done! If we wait too long, the feds will make one for us and use our money in general funds.
We as a fishing community need this money to for many things, with the number 1 reason being better funding for research. This money could help us fight the ever growing regulatons issues at hand.
SO SPREAD THE WORD, "WE NEED A SALTWATER FISHING LICENSE AND WE MUST DO IT QUICKLY"
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Captain John. a saltwater fishing license is inevitable, either from the state or the feds, as you have said.
The problem I have with it is the fact that the fees for this license will be of absolutely no benefit to the fisherman/woman. The money would simply be put into the general fund and spent on foolish thing that the government all too well knows how to spend on. I do not believe that it would be put into a dedicated fishing fund. If that were the case, that would be fantastic and I think all fishermen/women would agree to a license, me included.
It is my understanding that the feds only need a list of boat owners/fishermen from each coastal bordering state so they have a better data base of who they would call for their 'surveys', which, in my opinion, is the most idiotic way of gathering information needed to direct them in a useful management of our resources. This list of fishermen/boat owners would dictate no need for a 'saltwater' license, only information passed onto the federal agency. Most of this information is readily available to the state government by checking Motor Vehicle Commission files under boat registrations.
As I recall from previous releases from the feds, compliance in providing this 'list' would amount to pennies for each individual registered and not the $20-25 that would probably be the fee for a license.
The only reason this license is wanted by the great state of New Jersey is for added revenue to their over burdened budget.
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pay me 5 bucks a man
I'll keep the fishing registry on my laptop and provide copies to the Feds as needed
I'll keep the money
in the end we'll all go fishing and I can retire
Feds happy, me happy, way less bux than any goverment boondoggle they can imagine so we all win!!!
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TT^
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Capt. John.. I to agree that a license is need but to what cost to the industry?? I also going to agree with Irishayes.. if it would be put aside for the marine fisheries as they do in the southern state,, all for it.. But you and I both know it will be spemt foolishly among corrupt politician..
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i'm split on the idea.....one part says yeah if it goes back to the industry....then the other part of me says..."ok why do i need that twic card exactly?" hmmmmmm yup...im gonna dock my 32 footer right next to that tanker in a protected port....ok!
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Been there done that Capt Carl. Still waiting for them to make their decision that charter boat captains don't need a twic card. Supposedly in the works, can't wait to get my refund. :P