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NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports and Information => Helping Each Other Out => Topic started by: cheesyguy on July 20, 2007, 11:14:14 PM
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Hello... im not much of a fisherman but i try to get out there on party boats as much as i can and i am wondering what would be a good rod to use for fluking/bottom fishing on a party boat thanks.
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Hi Cheesyguy,
Do you like conventional or spinning rods?
Budget of $150 or so?
I am a big fan of conventional reels and 7 ft. rods for party boats.
A good combo for $250 is a Shimano Compre rod and a Shimano Tekota 500 reel.
A more budget, but equally able rod and reel is a Daiwa Heartland for $75 paired with a Penn 209 for about $50.
Some folks will also talk about Abu reels.
It all depends on your budget.
Welcome to the site,
Capt. Ed
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Thanks Capt. Ed!
I like conventional rods my budget is about $200 give or take a little. I will definitely be looking into your recomendations
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Hi Cheesyguy,
You may want to start a new topic ... then all may see the request.
All questions are good questions ... especially with equipment. New equipment comes out so frequently that it is hard to keep up with.
If you live in the Toms River area and want to test any of these combos out (or if you come down to Pt. Pleasant), I will be happy to loan the stuff to you.
Good catching,
Capt. Ed
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Ok thanks I'll shop around for awhile and will see if I find anything that feels right for me.
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topic split t^
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Thanks Hotrod :)
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Welcome Aboard cheesyguy,
It is amazing how helpful this site is. It is hard to believe in this day and age that so many people are still willing to go that extra mile to help out where and when ever asked to. TT^
Happy Catching
Paul
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Abu Garcia 6500 - $75
Crowder E series ECSM7012 around $150 shop around and you can find it for around $140.
Spool with 40 lb Power Pro - $12
For around $230 you'll have a great all around rod that is versatile enough to go from flats fishing, to dunking 6 oz sinkers in the channels. Money well spent.
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7' Medium S/W Ugly Stik $49.00, 200L Okuma Reel $50.00, Spool of Yozuri Floro Carbon $16.00 and ya got it.
Reel is also good for Stripers, but should you want to tackle the cows go to the 300L Okuma Reel $58.00
The Rod is great for Flounder, Fluke, Stripers, Sea Bass, Blues and Weaks.
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A versatile party boat fluke (actually multi-species) combo for me has been a St. Croix 7' MH Tidemaster and a Penn 955 spooled with 30# braid. This combo is realy good with weights or bucktails from 2 to 8 oz., but it can handle 12oz. when needed. On days with a slower drift I like to break out my 7' St. Croix MH Avid rod with a Shimano Calcutta 250 reel (now the 200B) loaded with 20# braid.
Hope that helps.
-Bob 8)
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is 12 lb test ok for a penn spinning reel with ugly stick set up for fluke ok ? I will be fishing for fluke with that setup off a boat this weekend, usually use spinning reels boat and surf for everything. Will that be alright or should i get heavier line ? Thanks
PS. The line is a strong colored green.. is that ok ?
Fish On
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Thanks all for the help, i may have found the right rod and reel i like, an Abu Garcia Ambassadeur 6500C3 matched with a Chaos PGF 12-20 rod.
What are your opinions about the choice?
Thanks.
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is 12 lb test ok for a penn spinning reel with ugly stick set up for fluke ok ? I will be fishing for fluke with that setup off a boat this weekend, usually use spinning reels boat and surf for everything. Will that be alright or should i get heavier line ? Thanks
no
yes
yes
;D
PS. The line is a strong colored green.. is that ok ?
Fish On
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Alright Rod,
18 or 20 lb test it is!!! I'll go with the clear line too. Should it be Flurocarbon or Monofilament ? Not quite sure whats better or what the difference even is.. :-\
Fish On
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Go with 20lb braid for bottom fishing ( I use it for weverything pretty much).
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Hi Fishon,
No ... no ... no ... No Mono! Did I say that enough.
Like Mboy says ... Use braid!
Braid gets you more sensitivity; no stretch for setting the hook; use of less weight; and actually more casting distance with a spinning combo.
There are many braids in many price points. I use Power Pro. Others will suggest different brands.
Make sure you put a backing of mono or even masking tape on the reel before putting the braid. You will also have to learn how to get out of a snag. This stuff cuts deep so watch it.
Best wishes,
Capt. Ed
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Hi Cheesyguy,
Good luck with your choice!
Best of luck and many personal bests,
Capt. Ed
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Hey Ed, what do you mean i have to use tape or what not. How do i do this ?
Fish On
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Hi Fishon,
Braid has a wax coating. If you do not put a layer of mono on first or tape, the braid will actually spin on the spool rather than wind on.
Most (if not all these days) tackle shops will do this for you. It is usually not an issue because most people put a "top shot" (150 yds.) on top of the mono. For those of us like me, I like to max out the spool with braid. Therefore, I put some 20 lb. or so mono on to cover the spool and then tie knots (uni to uni) between the braid and the mono and wind on the braid.
So, what you are doing in effect is making a layer with some friction against the spool.
Most of people's bad experiences years ago started with someone installing the product wrong on the spool.
Good luck,
Capt. Ed
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I did that once (no backer on the spool) without thinking when I put new braid on a reel. I took it out fishing, got a fish and tried to crank it in. The handle was turning but the line wasn't coming in. Of course, I tightened up the drag, still no line coming in. I took a closer look as I was cranking and saw the spool was turning but the line was just sitting still. That's when it dawned on me that I didn't put backer on the spool. After handlining the fish in I had to take all the line off and respool, this time with backer.
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Why is mono line so bad for bottom fishing ?
fish On
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Mostly because of the stretch.
With braid there is no stretch. You will feel every little thing that you bump against with the line. The sensitivity is unbelievable. After you use braid, mono will feel like you are fishing with a rubber band.
Hook-set is also better with braid because of the no stretch.
Braided line is much more thinner than mono of the same breaking strength. Therefore, you will use much less weight to keep it on the bottom. Also because of the thinness, you can fit much more on your spool, if needed.
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So am I getting this right-braid is stronger than mono but thinner? OK, say I'm loaded with 180 yds of 15#. What would I be looking at with 20# braid? What can I be looking to pay for this?
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30 lb braid is near the same size as about 12lb mono. If you take the spool to have it filled, they will start it off with mono, then attach about 150 yards of braid to fill it. From what I understand you need to start with mono for 2 reasons.
1) braid will slip if attached directly to the hub.
2) If you tried to fill the whole spool with braid it would be a waste of $.
Your probably looking at about 20$ to have 150 yards of 30# put on.
A must IMO.. a difference of night and day TT^
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I saw where snags or tangles could be a problem. Is there a trick to it or is it just a pain in the keister?
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This is my second year with it. and I haven't had any of those problems
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braid is thinner than mono
20 pound braid equals thickness of 8-10 pound mono
30 pound braid equals thickness of 10-12 pound mono
you HAVE to put a mono backing on the spool before you put the braid...if you dont do this step when you hook into a big fish you wont be able to reel it in as the line will just slip on the spool
braid has no stretch making it easier to pull hooks out of fishes mouth if you set the hook too early and too hard
braid will allow you to feel every bump on the sea floor, making you think youre getting hits, after a whille you get used to it and learn to tell the difference
for braid not all the knots you use will work, most will just slip out,
easy knot recomended for braid,
make a loop pass loop thru hole on snap swivel make a overhand square knot, pass rest of swivel thru loop of knot, now the important part, lick or wet the line to reduce heat from friction and pull tight
Sounds hard but once you get showed youll see its actually easy to do
last braid tangles can be a b!tch to work with,heres a hint... a small can of wd-40 in your tackle box can be helpfull a light squirt on the tangle area should make it easier to undo the tangle
after one or 2 seasons depending on how much you use it, you can reverse the line. just take an empty spool or another reel and put backing on that one and then transfer the braid to the other reel. I do this specially on fluke reels cause i'm usually just using the first 50 yards of line nothing wrong with the last 100 yards so by doing this you just got a reel with basicaly fresh braid to use another season, this is good cause braid aint cheap
hope this helps