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Boating => Boating General Discussions => Topic started by: LotzoFish on February 12, 2008, 01:45:57 PM
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hi all.
i have a 20 ft cc with high transom and good beam. my friend keeps trying to talk me into going off shore. I am very skeptical and nervous about a long run offshore, I only have single engine. but the thought of bonito and other offshore species gets me thinking, any thoughts or input sould be helpful I do have full electronics and vhf
thanks john
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You will be fine if you check the weather, keep an eye on it while your out there, and use the 1/3 gas rule... 1/3 fuel going out, 1/3 coming back, and 1/3 as a reserve.
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Depends on what you consider offshore. 30 miles off land is still considered inshore in NJ. Canyons are considered off shore. If running 20 miles east straight off of coast, you should be fine on a good day.
Someone fills my tank up for gas for that trip and I am heading out that far too for bonita :) in my 21' single engine CC t^
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thats where the 1/3 fuel rule comes from.. Go as far offshore as you want as long as you only use 1/3 of fuel to get there. That should be your range to be safe.. 1/3 back, and the other 1/3 is for emergencies such as weather, tide, etc..
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As Luna said, check the weather. If you have a good window weather wise, no reason you can't go to the mud hole.
You best bet, buddy up with another boat, if possible. And don't forget to leave a float plan with someone letting them know where you intend to fish and your anticipated arrival time back to port. That way, if something does happen, someone will know you are overdue and can give the CG a reasonable area to begin their search.
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sea tow and go
t^
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thanks all, still have to think it over, a nice fish is not worth my life. Sea tow is a great idea, already priced it out and will join before the season starts. I have been about 5 miles out from the cape may rips, but i could just still see land. Guess I still dont really trust GPD, maybe this year i cut the cord and go out. anybody got some nice GPS numbers for the near shore spots? would appreciate it. looking forward to meeting up sith some of ya and posswibley getting together for some fishing and shareing, sitting here playing with all the new stuff i have to install on my boat...dang snow comming down bngh..wont be too long now t^
later
John humptyrn@comcast.net
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John. I was in your shoes a few years ago. I run a 19 Foot CC With 32" gunnel's pushed by a single 115 Rude. I now run 5-6 miles out without a flinch. would I go past that. I don't think so.. You never know what the sea can turn to. But if you want to hit the inshore reefs..
I'd made sure "
1) I had Sea tow. If I broke down.. no biggy.
2) a sea anchor is a must ( if you break down it will keep you into the waves.
3) radio (VHF)
4) GPS to get there and back
Where do you go out.For the first time breaking an inlet it's nice to have a buddy boat near you.. ;D
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i HAVE A 1730 AND i TAKE IT 10 MILES OUT , JUST LIKE THEY SAY , WATCH chrzTHE FORCAST
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Two things to add........
Cell phone (just in case)
and have a float plan and tell someone where you will be and when you should be in TT^
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And some of this is seasonal too. In the summer, the Bermuda high usually keeps things reasonably calm, but afternoon thunderstorms can get things a little riled up. In the fall and winter, there are less thunderstorms, but the Bermuda high is gone and there can be decent swells any day of the week, including the sunny, nice ones.
I just got my first "ocean enabled" boat in October and haven't gone more than a mile or two off the beach. I plan on fishing the Sea Girt and Axel Carlson reefs next season, which are between 2-5 miles out. I'll see where I am by August-September or so and determine if I want to try for some bonito, but for the start I'm sticking to inshore waters 5 miles or less.
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Some more advice, do what I did and invest in a handheld VHF powered by AA batteries (and carry spares) and get yourself a backup GPS as well 9also powered by AA batteries) and put your home port in there and also a close point of land to where you may be ( I have Keyport in mine and the tip of sandy hook as well).
Aside from fishing on my pops boat (becuase I know he has both as well as 2 mounted GPS on boat), they will be in my carry on bag no matter who's boat I may fish on this season. I don't plan on going too far from shore myself, but let me tell you, having a hand held gps as a backup is a BIG plus when fog rolls in on the bay and you can't see 10' in front of you and your main gps is down.
Just ask the clowns to puled up to my pops last year 100 yards off the beach asking my dad where dry land was.
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fog is not good,, do you remember that day Mike.. wow
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Sure do, but I am not talking about going out in fog. Just when it sneaks up on you (kind of like it did that day, especially closer to shore.
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Plus just to add, make sure you have good charts and a zeroed in compass. Plus a handheld AM radio.
What is the AM radio for? It can tell you where the AM radio stations towers are. 99% of all AM radio stations on the east coast are within spitting distance of a large body of water. And most if not all radios house the AM antenna inside the case length wise. When you tune in a good loud (strong) station gets call sign like WOR. Then turn the radio till the signal nulls or lowers in volume this point the stations antenna can be found simply by looking along the top of the radio, then on the chart to find the stations tower location and bingo you have a pretty good idea of what is between you and the stations antenna.
This method is a very simple form of loran. Use your compass once you come across a marker and simply mark it on the chart with a grease pencil and proceed slowly.
Be prepared for anything when going to sea and you will come home safe, maybe late but safe non the less.
Happy Catching
Paul
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if the boat is mechanicaly sound it will make out there fine,,, but if youre nervous and scared then i'd recoment going with someone you know has been out there this way you can feel safer and learn from him,, t^
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Every one makes good points here.I think it strongly depends on a good mechanically running boat, pick your good day weather wise,have a dependable crew (people that can run the boat ,read charts,speak on the VHF,and help you out should the weather turn bad (not tourist). Sea tow, Bout US A must.Go out and take longer and longer trips and build up knowledge, confidence and experience.You will be fine. Good Luck, AJ
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Go with a buddy who can run the boat if something happens to you, AND if possible go with another boat as you only have a single engine....
The weather can definitely sneak up on you and we all know NOAA can "miss the boat" on occasion bngh
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Having a small kicker motor 10-15HP is never a bad idea. Its great for trolling which I understand is not good for some large outboards. And will get you home if your Main engine fails. ;)
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Having a small kicker motor 10-15HP is never a bad idea. Its great for trolling which I understand is not good for some large outboards. And will get you home if your Main engine fails. ;)
A small kicker will get you home if your in the bay, but considering that this tread is about off shore, I wouldn't rely on a kicker as the current can move your boat faster then the kicker can in the opposite direction. Spend the money for unlimited tow with Sea Tow, or Boat US and don't waste it for a kicker. IF YOUR OFFSHORE.
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I feel everyone should have unlimited Sea Tow Or Boat US. Its not expensive. Around $120 ;)
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A lot of good advice already posted. Redundancy is my motto. I have a new VHF and a hand held. A good plotter & a hand held gps. Towing insurance sure helps the confidence factor. 20' if it is a sound boat like mako and many others is capable of runs 20 to 30 mi. As stated before fuel is critical. The 1/3 rule is important. Experience helps a lot. Bring a seasoned partner if possible on your first trip. I personally started at about 5mi and got accustomed to the routine. Before you know it 15 or 20 becomes routine. Always be ready to turn back when conditions change. Oh..offshore life preservers area must. I wouldn't leave the bay without them.
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I feel everyone should have unlimited Sea Tow Or Boat US. Its not expensive. Around $120 ;)
You can say that again. I'll tell yu Iv'e been boating for 20+ years and have only have it for the past 5. What a different it makes when you hit the water
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I feel everyone should have unlimited Sea Tow Or Boat US. Its not expensive. Around $120 ;)
I have $1,500 per incident ($3,000. max/year) on my insurance.
Think it's necessary to have Sea Tow as well?
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If you travel any distance for an inlet it is an absolute must to have unlimited. It does not take long for a bill to pile up. They charge by the hour. The time starts when they get underway for your call and stops when they get back. Towing in poor seas can and will take several hours if you are any distance away.
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I feel everyone should have unlimited Sea Tow Or Boat US. Its not expensive. Around $120 ;)
I have $1,500 per incident ($3,000. max/year) on my insurance.
Think it's necessary to have Sea Tow as well?
Sam, Check out the websights for boat u.s and sea tow, they do fuel drops, jump starts, they will even bring you parts.. Read about it and decide for yourself.. ;) chrz chrz
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Sea Tow for sure!
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I am surpised no one mentioned Epirb.
If you are going to be heading offshore regularly I would reccomend one.
If you are mainly a close to shore or bay fisherman than you are probably OK but if you head offshore with any regularity I would highly reccomend one.
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I agree, You can rent them too,
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sea tow and go
t^
Boat US Stockholders are not amused. ;)