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General Forum => Product Reviews => Topic started by: bassnblues on September 07, 2008, 11:24:29 AM
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This fall I plan to do a couple of party boat jigging striper trips, probably out of Point Pleseant.
Seems like the Krocodile is a popular lure on these trips and I want to pick up a few. What are the best sizes and colors to use?
Also, I've seen a cheaper knockoff, I think it's called the Gator spoon. Anyone tried these?
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Stick with the original Krocodile spoon the finish on the knock offs fade quickly. I usually fish up to a 3 or 4 oz lure off the surf and have done very well especially on the blues.
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The krocs are excellent in a few different sizes.Also get some AVA 007,27,47s
The "Angela Rose" is in Pt Plst.
I fished with Capt Anthony last week in the FlukaTon and he knows his cookies. Good Luck,AJ.
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AVA 27, 47, 67.......plain hook, or yellow tude or white tube
Deadly Dick 3,4,5 oz Silver or Silver/Blu
Krocodile in 3, 4, 5 oz
Crippled Herring in 3,4,5 oz I have best luck with Silver or Silver/Grn
You have these in the bag and you will catch fish TT^
I replace the treble hook on the Kroc with a single
Best price is Shark River Mail Order www.srmo.com you'll have them in 2 days
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I have plenty of AVA's and crippled Herrings. Crippled Herrings are my favorite...
I definitly hate treble hooks when blues are around so I'll take your advice about replacing them with singles.
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Almost forgot...need to get some Butterfly Jigs also. What colors/sizes have worked for these.
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For jigging Krocodiles from a boat, I mostly use them in the 5 1/4" size. I don't know the exact weight of them, but they are stamped "DIE #7". I know one of the party boats I frequent sells a bigger one, but I'm not sure what size they are. For colors on Krocs, go with silver, silver/blue and white. Many times the white outproduces the silver colors for me. I like to throw it on cloudy days.
As far as Butterfly jigs. I used them (almost) exclusively last year as an experiment. I used four colors in the Shimano line, including Sardine/silver (blue back), Mackerel/silver (green back), Aji/silver (gold back) and chartreuse/white. I also used the knock off brands such as ProFishCo's Power Jig (among others) in similar color schemes, as well as red head/white. All produced fish However, I probably caught more on the blue back/silver ones. The best sizes I've found for striper jigging were the 3 1/8 oz. (90 grams) up to 5 1/4 oz. (150 grams) depending on the drift speed and depth. I rarely had to use the 7 oz. (200 grams) jigs.
If the bluefish are thick, I would suggest foregoing the assist hooks in favor of a single tail hook. With a lot of blues around I have tried using wire leaders in front of the jigs and wired assist hooks. Both resulted in lost fish and/or lost jigs. A single tail hook minimized bite offs significantly.
Hope that helped.
Good luck! ;D
-Bob
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Lots of great info. I have only heard about butterfly jigs. Are they exclusively for boat jigging or can you use them in the surf or from shore??
Thanks
TT^
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They are really designed for vertical jigging from a boat. I suppose you could throw one from the beach and catch fish on them, but there are better lure choices out there for that purpose.
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Thanks Bucktail. I had heard of them, but never really read up on them. Thanks for the info.
TT^
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Seems like the Krocodile is a popular lure on these trips and I want to pick up a few. What are the best sizes and colors to use?
Also, I've seen a cheaper knockoff, I think it's called the Gator spoon. Anyone tried these?
Stick with the 5 and 7 ounce models.
The basic chrome as well as the prism patterns are the best color choices. If you can find the rare 'Barbie'/white color in the above mentioned sizes buy them all.
Make sure you use a split ring when attaching them to your line (the cheaper Gator spoons do not have a split ring).
I always like to touch up each point on the treble before using as sometimes the hooks are not the sharpest out of the package. I know some guys like removing the treble hook & replacing it with a single hook.
Not sure if this is true anymore, but the cheapest place I found for buying the larger Krocodile models was the Cabela's online site.
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Almost forgot...need to get some Butterfly Jigs also. What colors/sizes have worked for these.
The ProFish 'butterfly' jigs are relatively cheap. I like the blue or green back pattern in the 4-7 ounce range.
Also take a look at the Bass Pro Shop line of butterfly jigs. Lots of patterns/sizes to choose from. Also allot cheper than the Shimano's (plus you get the assist hooks with them).
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This fall I plan to do a couple of party boat jigging striper trips, probably out of Point Pleseant.
Seems like the Krocodile is a popular lure on these trips and I want to pick up a few. What are the best sizes and colors to use?
Also, I've seen a cheaper knockoff, I think it's called the Gator spoon. Anyone tried these?
Kastmasters, T-hexes, and avas are better for jigging
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For whatever reason, for the past 7+ years tubeless AVA style jigs have far outfished Krocodile Spoons or Crippled Herrings when on charter/party boats out of Atlantic Highlands.
But there have been allot of days when fishing on a boat out of Pt. Pleasant that the 5 & 7 ounce Krocs and Crippled Herring have been the ticket. Although AVAs still caught.
I did very well with Butterfly jigs (my first season using them) on Pt. Pleasant boats as well.
The perfered way I like to retreive a Kroc is to drop it to the bottom, bounce it 5 or so times off the bottom & then use a slow retreive back to the boat with occasionally placing the reel in free spool to allow it flutter down a few feet. I've had fish smack it on the inital drop, after a bounce or 2 off the bottom, on the retrieve, when I let it flutter & just before I pull it out of the water. I like to use a loop type of knot (Homer-Rhodes loop knot is an easy/quick/strong loop knot). This gives the Krocodile more of a swaying/wobbling action. Make sure you attack a split ring to the Kroc & tie your loop knot to the split ring. This also gives the biat more action.