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NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports and Information => NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Pool Winner!! on May 14, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
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not that anyone really talks or cares about it, but today at the pier was a blue fish massacre.... schools of rain fish surrounding the pier from the beach to about halfway out...I just wish that pier wasn't so damn high...
on a sad note :'( as i was giving my bluefish away to people, in there coolers were some nice size fluke...but who am i to regulate some jerk... and he was much bigger then me.. 5hrug
so, good news that they are in and hungry...bad news that some people just don't care about the rules
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nosmly
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whs
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Thats not cool. nosmly
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Since it's a pay to fish pier, something like that shouldn't happen, dont ya think? 5hrug
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nosmly
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Since it's a pay to fish pier, something like that shouldn't happen, dont ya think? 5hrug
Exactly. It's a shame. Last season I was fishing he surf for Stripers/Blues the weekend after Fluke season closed. There was a family about 50 yards south reeling in fluke one after another and throwing them in the cooler. Sad this was these fluke couldn't have been larger than 15".
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nosmly nosmly
Saw a Guy cleaning bass no more than 22-24 inches at the dock .To Boot, the sad bassterd was yelling and cursing at his young son to carry gear to the trailer and boat.Obviously the young fellow was embarassed. smk
I was so tempted to slap the sh$t out of the guy in fron of his son. :-\
But thought, I'd go to jail, and the jerk would be released and go fishing. rgmn rgmn rgmn
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nosmly nosmly
Saw a Guy cleaning bass no more than 22-24 inches at the dock .To Boot, the sad bassterd was yelling and cursing at his young son to carry gear to the trailer and boat.Obviously the young fellow was embarassed. smk
I was so tempted to slap the sh$t out of the guy in fron of his son. :-\
But thought, I'd go to jail, and the jerk would be released and go fishing. rgmn rgmn rgmn
Lmao at the last few lines there. I wonder if maybe he had a few guys on the boat, and they all got one 24-25 inches. Because did the regulations change to 1 over 24 and 1 over 31 per person ? Or is it still 2 over 28? If it didnt change, I will meet you at the dock and we will both slap the $h1T out of this nerd.
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nosmly nosmly
To Boot, the sad bassterd was yelling and cursing at his young son to carry gear to the trailer and boat.Obviously the young fellow was embarassed.
That says it all. If a person doesn't have respect for their own children, they certainly will not have respect for anything else in this world. nosmly
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whs whs
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Since it's a pay to fish pier, something like that shouldn't happen, dont ya think? 5hrug
Exactly. It's a shame. Last season I was fishing he surf for Stripers/Blues the weekend after Fluke season closed. There was a family about 50 yards south reeling in fluke one after another and throwing them in the cooler. Sad this was these fluke couldn't have been larger than 15".
Wow thats the way I feel when I go to the fish market. All those 14" fish stairing at me .And are they illegal? of course not. Just illegal for me, I hate double standards
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the pier officials should monitar the regs..
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whs
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Since it's a pay to fish pier, something like that shouldn't happen, dont ya think? 5hrug
Exactly. It's a shame. Last season I was fishing he surf for Stripers/Blues the weekend after Fluke season closed. There was a family about 50 yards south reeling in fluke one after another and throwing them in the cooler. Sad this was these fluke couldn't have been larger than 15".
Wow thats the way I feel when I go to the fish market. All those 14" fish stairing at me .And are they illegal? of course not. Just illegal for me, I hate double standards
I feel your pain with the 14" legal commercial fish. BUT, I think it's probably better to let them keep the 14" fish and have them count toward their quota instead of throwing them back dead and not counting toward anything but discards.
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Exactly. This has been explained before. t^
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I fish the pier occassionally, Yes, I have seen poaching here. As far as regulating this I don't think that the woman running the pier would want to confront some of her customers. I've only seen state wardens out on the pier twice in all the times I've been there.
It doesn't pay to explain this to some people as I found out last year.
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it would be very easy to catch poacher on the pier.. they are already backed into a corner.. 1 undercover person is all that is needed..
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I have never been to the pier. Do they have the regs posted at the entrance? If not, that would be a start. They can put them up at strategic locations along the pier as a reminder also. Just a thought.
I would not expect the operator to enforce regulations. Leave that to the pros who are equipped to deal with the violators in a legal manner.
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I do not recall seeing a posting of what is or is not allowed to be kept and what size at the hut where the lady works and people pay.. but I know for sure there is nothing out on the pier itself.. just yard sticks screwed to the boards... So with that said One would think there has to be a sign of some sort..
They did however ask if i had my NOAA card.. which i did.. I dont know if they would turn someone away if they didn't..
on another point.. since it is a "pay to play" pier, the owners should closely monitor what gets caught since they would likely be fined if someone gets caught...
again i didn't keep anything i caught and I dont know if they check coolers as people leave..This was mine first time...
I do know that the pier appears to be a cash cow, and if it were to come up for sale i would buy that in a heartbeat!!! TT^
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A shame people do that, but not surprised at all!
As long as the Pier is not condoning or physically helping keep illegal fish, they are not liable. Just like a Party or Charter Boat Captain/Crew. However, the Owners could put a call to Fish & Game to put an officer on the Pier. Anyone can make a phone call to Operation Game Thief 800-222-0456.
In today's society, no one besides a LEO should be enforcing the Laws. There are some whacko people out there and some whacko laws that protect those people nts. Someone trying to do the right thing will end up in Court or Jail over fish...not worth it IMO.
nosmly
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A shame people do that, but not surprised at all!
As long as the Pier is not condoning or physically helping keep illegal fish, they are not liable. Just like a Party or Charter Boat Captain/Crew.
are you saying that the captain of a party or charter boat is not responsible for the boats catches.. ?????
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A plastic card with the size and creel limits is given out by the pier operator. the state provides them and I will say that the woman running the pier is concerned about people taking shorts, but is it her responsibility to monitor what's caught?
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A pier should be the same as a party boat
1. you pay to fish you don,t need a license on the pier or a party boat ( thats their permit)
2. The Pier managers, Capt of the boat .....are liable to at the very least inform the angler of infractions and if their ignored call enforcement to intervene
3. The managers / Captain's are not cops( and don't have any power to do anything) and should not be liable if they do their best to inform and notify an angler when their non compliant
It's kinda like "if a cop didn't see me I didn't do it", you want to call and rat the guy out yourself by all means go right ahead
Also unless your a cop .........you have no right to touch anyone else's property, I don't care how big you are or how excited you are over someone else's actions
observe and report is one thing ....Dump someone's cooler in the water is another
Thats you taking the law into your own hands
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Here's a number to keep in your cell phone.
Anonymity is guaranteed if desired. You are fully protected because no one, not even the person you speak with need ever know your name or address. Rewards are paid confidentially also.
OPERATION GAME THIEF CATEGORIES
1. Commercial exploitation of New Jersey's wildlife resources, including deer, striped bass, shellfish from condemned waters, undersized lobsters, fluke, crab pots, etc.
2. Flagrant violations concerning pheasants, trout, and other freshwater fish, ducks, quail, etc., including over limit netting and trapping, and the use of illegal traps.
3. Pollution of wildlife habitat.
4. Illegal dumping on state lands.
5. Negligent use of firearms, including the destruction of signs.
6. The illegal taking of deer, bear, bobcat, turkey and endangered species.
A minimum reward of $25 will be paid to informants for reporting violations in the above categories which result in a citation being issued. Rewards may be substantially higher depending upon the seriousness of the violation.
A minimum reward of $100 will be paid for the report of violations relating to deer poaching, illegal trapping and the taking of endangered species.
If you see or are aware of a violation, call the toll-free number 1-800-222-0456 and give as much information as possible.
If you desire to remain anonymous you will be assigned a code number of your own choosing. You will be told when to call back to find out the result of your tip. If your information leads to the issuance of a citation, you are eligible for a reward. Arrangements will be made for payment. (Law enforcement officers are not eligible for rewards.)
No one, not even the person you speak with on the phone needs to know your identity. Rewards payments can be made in untraceable bank money orders or in cash and delivered to you as per your instructions. YOU ARE FULLY PROTECTED.
The person who commits wildlife crime for whatever reason is a crook, a thief and a cheat who robs us all of not only our precious wildlife, but also our tax and license dollars. That person cheats us of our outdoor recreation and threatens future generations with diminished wildlife resources.
Help us help you. Don't make excuses for wildlife crime and don't tolerate poaching or other illegal activities among your hunting, fishing, or hiking companions. Report violations and help conserve our wildlife for others to enjoy while at the same time helping yourself.
The more information you can supply and the more specific you can be, the better the chances for apprehending the violator. Here are some things to look for:
Names, addresses, age(s) of suspects, along with as complete a description as possible.
Vehicle description and license plate number.
Type of violation - be specific - when and where it occurred.
Where is the contraband stored? How was it transported?
Report violations as promptly as possible. The quicker the information is received, the better the chances for an arrest.
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Great info Nukeman. t^ Thanks for that.
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Well, after two years of being on this forum there is finally a calling for my expertise-I'd be happy to conduct surveillance and work undercover fishing TT^ In tens years as a private detective I've only been able to don the fishing gear while on a surveillance once 5hrug
The sad thing is I wish my expertise was more along the lines of landing big 'uns! fcp
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Great info Nukeman. t^ Thanks for that.
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OPERATION GAME THIEF 1800 222 0456