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Offline sniff

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nj ny rules
« on: August 20, 2009, 05:24:34 AM »
I heard of people drifting from NJ to NY or NY to NJ
and getting fined $250 each for being over the limit or under size. This makes no sense when NY NJ share the same waterways. What kind of socialist crap is this anyway?


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Re: nj ny rules
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 09:02:45 AM »
NY and NJ do share some waters, but the overwhelming part of the Jersey coast is nowhere near NY, and vice versa. States have different regs for some fisheries as a result of the uniqueness of those fisheries, and the differences in those fisheries from one state to another.

For example, the southern end of NJ starts catching Fluke in April most every year. The flats and back bays of south Jersey are known for having fish months before the rest of the state starts catching them in any great numbers. As a matter of fact it is a great source of contention each year when the regs for our state are chosen, since there are far more anglers in the northern 2/3 of the state who often want regs that reflect their season, not the season for the southern end of the state.

NY has it's own fishery, as does NJ and every other state, and they are not necessarily the same. The Fluke fishery in Montauk is not even remotely similar to the fishery on the west end or raritan bay, let alone the differences in the Fluke fishery from the North shore of Long Island to the south shore.

It would be nice to have similar regs inside those shared bodies of water, but every time it has been proposed the enforcement people have complained it would be impossible to enforce, the data people complain there is no way to know what effect it would have on landings (smaller or larger sizes for one area of a state) yadda yadda yadda.

However, simply having the same regs for a fish like say Fluke up and down the coast simply does not work. That's why we switched from Coastwide to state by state in the first place, because so many states complained that the size limit and/or season chosen for the coast did not take into account the uniqueness of that particular state's fishery.


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Re: nj ny rules
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 10:42:52 AM »
Great explanation CaptTB.

Sniff, it is the same scenario with the striped bass in state waters vs federal waters. Guys go out early for the morning bite on stripers (in state waters, closer than 3 miles out) and then go further offshore (federal waters past 3 miles) for a bottom fishing/whatever catch. Once they hit the federal waters they are in violation for having striped bass in their possession (no possession in federal waters). Keep that in mind if you do any trips of this sort.  :P
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Re: nj ny rules
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 10:55:52 AM »
Yup....checked twice by uscg checking for stripers in possession while i was more than 3 miles out this year....i was not bass fishing either time but they want to make sure you are not doing exactly what Capt. Joe mentioned above. t^
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Re: nj ny rules
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 03:00:25 PM »
Unfortunately, it is not just NJ/NY waters.  You have the same problems in all the states that have different Regs, but common waters.  What is worse, in Maryland where different parts of waters have different Regs and require different licenses.

It certainly gets confusing and I am surprised more people don't get caught and fined nosmly.

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