ever travelto cabela's? If so check out there bargain cave. I got a set of bibs for about 40 bucks. They were normally 135 or somewhere around there. they place items that have "defaults" with them. usually its written on the tag...mine where 'soiled'. My thoughts are i just going to get them dirty anyway. I have gotten jackets, boots, etc. over there over the years. its a no brainer for me. just a cautionary statement...all sales are final so no returns. but for the prices they are selling some stuff at i'm willing to take the chance.