gymratt thanks for that site, i just made 2 traps .. one out of a 1 liter soda bottle and another out of a large cranberry juice container... put some dog food in it, and some bread... i tied the string around the head of the bottle, ran the string through the hole of the bottle head, and out..... now these arent killies i will be catching, there going to be regular minnows from a freshwater brook up here in wayne.. they most likely will not live until tomorrow when i arrive at the dorothy B. hmmmm