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NJ Saltwater Fisherman => Fisheries Management => Topic started by: Great American Fisherman on November 30, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
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The NJ Fishing message boards are lit up with the upcoming fifteen dollar New Jersey Saltwater Fishing License for 2011. Folks are saying we are taxed to death here in New Jersey. Yes we are. Too much. Folks are bringing up a lot of views on this and even are sending threatening messages to a dude named Sen. Robert Smith, (Piscataway) who refuses to move S1122 to a vote to stop the Nj Saltwater License. People have said they want to know where the money will go. The RFA has fought the good fight to stop this. All miss the true bottom line. What do we have to fish for?
I'd pay the fifteen dollars if government told me I can fish for fluke from May until October for a eight fish bag at say seventeen inches per. I'd pay the fifteen dollars to fish for Black Sea Bass for twelve months a year for twenty five fish @ twelve inches per. I'd pay the fifteen dollars for a real Blackfish Season. Weakfish?
The Bottom Line is, what in the world do we have to fish for? Fluke closes on Labor Day. Blackfish "real season" is a joke. And for 2011 government will gladly give us about one or two sea bass a trip. Gee, thanks.
The focus should not be on a fifteen dollar fee to fish in saltwater. The focus should not be on a State Senator named Robert Smith, who nobody knows who he is and if he did not stop the vote on this bill we would not care who he was. The focus should be on what we have to fish for. The answer is, just about nothing. Too much in-between time for seasons here in NJ. In Delaware, you go from Blackfish to Fluke then back to Blackfish. With Stripers and Bluefish and some Triggers tossed in. No gaps. And of course for 2011 your one or two sea bass. In NJ, we have gaps that could put party boats out of business.
Once again for 2011 my vacation dollars will go out of NJ and my beloved Long Beach Island. Why? I have nothing to fish for.
Instead of organizations and private people fighting to stop a fifteen dollar fee (which I do not want to pay either) lets fight to have something to fish for. How about this Robert Smith a lowly state Senator, how about he fights for us to have something to fish for. He won't. All he wants is the fifteen bucks. Which I would pay, if I had something to fish for.
Remember, this is "Change you can beleive in".
Later!
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The $15.00 is going to the US Treasury in Washington, DC not Trenton. It will NOT be used to advance fisheries anywhere. NOAA has already budgeted for the cost of the registry as there are only three States who will have to participate, NJ, HI and PA. They have this year's participation figures as an estimate of next year's.
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If you read the requirements for the Federal Registry there are lots of exceptions and loop holes. I don't believe that with the language used any person who fishes only in state waters for fluke,seabass,porgies,blackfish or on party/charter boats will not be required to purchase. I also don't believe it can be enforced with the current enforcement system.NJ can set their own requirements and fees/penalties and would be more enforceable. I fish about 100 days a year and rarely ever see or encounter anyone representing fish & wildlife. If they had the honor system on the GSP who would pay without the cameras?
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NJ has only 10 Conservation Officers for Marine waters.
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Here’s what I know:
New Jersey Senate bill S1122 which I have included below was sponsored by State Senators Jeff Drew and Jennifer Beck… and is being opposed by State Senator Bob Smith...
The federal Government/NOAA is going to impose a $15.00 registration fee on all NJ saltwater fishermen beginning in 2011 if our state Senators doesn’t take action and pass this bill…
Bob Smith who as mentioned opposes this bill is the Chairman of NJ Environmental agency in NJ, Concerns of his include clean drinking water, clean air, Barnegat Bays health and restoration, increased construction of our fishing reefs just to name a few....all decent things...
What I cannot understand is:
Why Sen. Smith would oppose this bill seemingly being an advocate of the outdoors and the environment judging by his agenda briefly listed above puzzles me…dose he really think that $15.00 per angler in NJ going to Washington is a good thing?? That’s going to be a lot of money leaving the state having absolutely no direct impact on our fisheries here at home.
I don’t recall getting a phone call from NOAA with regard to my fishing this summer…anyone else get that call.
Probably reasoning:
Perhaps he has a friend in Washington telling him to leave this bill to die so that they ( the Federal Gov) can collect the money or…..he feels that the mandate in the bill to not impose a fee for implementation/administration our own registry would carve a bigger hole in NJs already ballooning budget deficits… not sure… open to other suggestions/reasons…..
With respect to a fee:
From what I have read among different local fishing sites, posts, rants and opinions of what I feel seems to be the majority of saltwater fisherman I have come to this conclusion: Most when forced to would much rather pay that $15.00 fee to New Jersey and get some kind of “return on the investment” if you will, by way of better access/ management/science, regs, etc. with respect to our sport of saltwater fishing.
I would think Mr. Smith would be in favor of such a bill perhaps if it did provide a fee that covered not only the administration costs of S1122 but also was a source of additional state revenue that could be used by our state to fund some of the things listed on his agenda provided they were directly related to our saltwater fisheries.
We are going to pay either the Federal Government or keep the monies here in New Jersey to use as we see fit. Or pass the bill as it stands and have a free saltwater license at least in the short term.
I think in addition to contacting Bob Smith whom opposes this bill, we should also contact the sponsors listed above in an effort to get from them the reason this bill not moving forward and what actions they are taking on our behalf.
Maybe I’m simplifying this too much but this seems like a no brainer for us and New Jersey.
State Senate Bill S1122
INTRODUCED FEBRUARY 4, 2010
Bill Sponsored by: Opposed by:
JEFF VAN DREW, 1St District Sen. Bob Smith 17th District
JENNIFER BECK, 12TH District
BE IT ENACTED by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey:
The commissioner, in consultation with the Marine Fisheries Council, shall establish and implement a registry program for saltwater recreational anglers, which program shall provide for the registration, including identification and contact information, of individuals who engage in recreational fishing:
(a) In the Exclusive Economic Zone;
(b) For anadromous species; or
(c) For Continental Shelf fishery resources beyond the Exclusive Economic Zone; and the registration, including the ownership, operator, and identification of the vessel, of vessels used in such fishing.
The registry program established pursuant to this section shall comply with the provisions of the registry program to be established pursuant to the “Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Reauthorization Act of 2006,”
Upon establishment of the registry program pursuant to this section, the commissioner shall apply to the National Marine Fisheries Service of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for exempted state designation from the federal registration requirements.
1. The department shall not charge a fee for the registration required pursuant to this section.
2. Section 82 of P.L.1979, c.199 (C.23:2B-18) is repealed.
3. This act shall take effect immediately.
STATEMENT
This bill directs the Commissioner of Environmental Protection, in consultation with the Marine Fisheries Council, to establish and implement a registry program for saltwater recreational anglers modeled on the registry program to be established by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). This bill specifies that the State cannot charge a fee for registration under this program. In 2007, Congress reauthorized the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act (Public Law 109-479), and included requirements for revising the Marine Recreational Fisheries Statistics 1 Survey (MRFSS) and directing NOAA to establish a National Saltwater Angler Registry Program by January 1, 2009.
Congress also authorized NOAA to collect a fee, beginning in the year 2011, to cover administrative cost associated with this registry. The purpose of the federal registry is to identify all saltwater anglers that can be contacted to obtain more accurate recreational fishery information to improve fisheries management.
The National Saltwater Angler Registry will exempt anglers from the federal registry if their state has its own registration or licensing system. However, since New Jersey does not currently
Have a saltwater licensing or registration program, the State’s anglers will be required to register with the federal government.
This bill also directs the DEP Commissioner to apply to the federal National Marine Fisheries Service for “exempted state designation” so that New Jersey’s saltwater anglers do not have to participate in the national registry.
Lastly, this bill would also repeal section 82 of P.L.1979, c.199 (C.23:2B-18) that prohibits the imposition of a saltwater recreational anglers license.
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Great post Kenny. Well thought out. I don't know what Senator Smith's game is here. But he definitely seems to be cutting off New Jersey's nose to spite its face.
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An interesting post I found:
According to the verbiage in 600.1410 Subpart P-Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States under the Registry process 600.1410 section, number (d), starting on page 79,718 it states: "NMFS will issue a registration number and certificate to registrants. A registration number and certificate will be valid for one year from the date on which it was issued."
50 CFR 600 Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States
Due to the registration process as defined by the National Marine Fisheries Service New Jersey anglers can register on December 31, 2010 and not pay a fee associated with the Federal Angler Registry for 2011 up to December 30, 2011. I am sure many anglers will take advantage of this loophole in the registration process in the event that New Jersey does not pass legislation for a free or nominal fee registry in 2010.
Jersey Joe
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PART 600-MAGNUSON-STEVENS ACT PROVISIONS
Subpart P--Marine Recreational Fisheries of the United States
§ 600.1410 Registry process.
d. NMFS will issue a registration number and certificate to registrants. A registration number and certificate will be valid for one year from the date on which it was issued.
Here is a working link to the Final Rule PDF. Large file 2.59 mb. Section mentioned is on page 60.
https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdfhttps://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdf (https://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdfhttps://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdf)
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GAF,Your post is right on target! Many fishermen in my area are feeling the same way, including myself. Saltwater fishermen in States like Florida and Texas were in the same position in the early eights. Their speckled sea trout and red fish populations were depleted just like our weakfish are today. What did they do? The same thing that must be done in NJ today. They have the blue print all we have to do is follow it. For the short term, spirit airline 9 dollar fare club.
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Now that our Buddy Ken, Ben, or whoever you want to be this time around Capt Mac, has chimed in on this I will too.
Jim (GAF) is correct, we also need to ask what we have to fish for. That pretty much speaks for a reason not to have a saltwater license in NJ.
Ken, Ben, Capt Mac, or any other thing you want to be called...these Pee-poor regulations are not only in New Jersey. They are coast wide. Other states live with the same sea bass regulations that the State of New Jersey has to live with. They pay for a license, New Jersey does not.
Other states have a more stringent summer flounder regulation than the State of New Jersey does. They pay for a license, New Jersey does not.
New Jersey has the same offshore regulations that other states do. They pay for a license, New Jersey does not.
The regulations for the State of New Jersey is not out of line with ALL OF THE OTHER STATES WHO PAY FOR A LICENSE FOR THE PRIVELEDGE TO FISH.
Please feel free to try to come up with another reason why we need to pay to fish where we will not be provided a thing for our hard earned money. I have yet to hear a valid reason. >:(
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Irishayes, Obviously A State saltwater license will help highly migratory fish like bluefin very little.As far as sea bass, it would help. Our fish move inshore offshore . If NJ has no money to prove the sea bass population is x, we eat whatever the feds give us.
If I can show you how the speckled seatrout and redfish were rebuild in the south using funds from their saltwater license, would you change your mind on a NJ saltwater license?
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Ken, I know that there is absolutely no difference between New Jersey's sea bass regulations and the states that have a license. NOT A THING!!! NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. How is their license helping them? It is not. There are closed areas down south, where all the coastal states have a license. What good is that license to them?
If we get a license are you saying we will have redfish to fish for? Of course not. Two different areas, two different equations.
The striped bass were at one time almost non-existant. Did we need a license to get them back in the numbers that we have now? No.
Blue fish run in cycles. There are periods of time where they are pretty much non-existant. Did we need a license to get them back? No.
Let me ask you, Don't you feel that we pay enough to fish as it is now? I spent over $5000 in fuel this season. And I am a rec fisherman, not a charter. I spent about the same amount on fishing/boating gear this past season. Are the taxes that I have paid for these items not enough for me to pitch in and help the cause? If the powers to be can not get their job done with the monies that I and every other fisherman/boater hands over, another $15-25 won't make a difference.
To answer your question: No, you will never convince me that a saltwater license will benefit the fisherman by any means. Because you have not presented anything valid that would sway my opinion. Actually, you have not brought any thing at all positive to this or any other site that I have seen you post on. You come on and say we need a license and that is it. Please, take your agenda elsewhere.
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Check out what the State of Maine has done, for just a buck!
http://www.maine.gov/dmr/recreational/registry/state.htm
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S1122:
12/9/2010 10:00:00 AM Environment and Energy
Committee Room 10, 3rd Floor, State House Annex, Trenton, NJ
Senate Environment and Energy Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 10:00 AM Meeting - Committee Room 10, 3rd Floor, State House Annex, Trenton, NJ
The committee will hear testimony from representatives of the Department of Environmental Protection and members of the public concerning the department's implementation of the "Site Remediation Reform Act," P.L.2009, c.60.
Bill AbstractCurrent StatusLDOA
A823 Saltwater fishing, free reg.-estab. SEN3/22/2010
A2529 Renewable energy tech.-revise SEN11/8/2010
S1122 Saltwater fishing registry-estab. free SEN2/4/2010
S2306 Renewable energy tech.-revise SEN9/23/2010
S2371 Solar Renewable Energy Cert.-purchase SEN11/8/2010
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Irish, The striped bass were rebuilt by investing money, i.e. Hatcheries were used. Do you know were the money came from?
The bluefin have never been in a depleted condition like they are now, never. That is not a state license issue.
The fact that a state has a license does not mean that they will not set bag limits and seasons. It is all about sustainable yield.
The difference between the southern states that have a saltwater license and New Jersey, is they have fishable fish populations.
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New Jersey's sea bass population or season has nothing to do with other states. Sea bass move inshore offshore.
Irishayes, It is not about keeping the season open at all cost. It is all about sustainable yield. Whatever the season or bag limit is to achieve that, so be it.
We can rebuild the weakfish and other fish populations by following a proven method that was used to bring back the striped bass,southern flounder, spotted sea trout and red fish. That is being proactive and investing money to rebuild our fish populations as fast as possible.
or we join the 9 dollar airfare club to fly to Florida were they have fish.
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And I have a bridge for sale.
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Hi Joe ;D Already a member of the $9 club ! ;D Lots of Florida guys in Washington last winter complaining about gettin screwed in their fishery but I digress. AS far as stripers since 1984 or so the federal waters are closed to taking bass both recs and commercial. That's why we have the fish plus all the other restrictions in spawning areas. The people enforcing those regs continue to ignore blatant violations and usually if someone is caught all they get is a slap on the wrist. A licence is a tax and we're already paying plenty. This Federal registry is already a joke. "They really don't want to count fisherman or fish just money."
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Kensdock aka Capt Mac aka Ken aka Ben, why do you continue your antics? You annoy me..GTFOH!!!!
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I would say the majority of NJ anglers do not support the free registration bill. I called the Senator today. I do not support the free registry bill. I also sent this info. and more:
**** **** poll resulted in 68% supporting a NJ saltwater license. 50,000 members
******** poll resulted in 92% supporting a NJ saltwater license
New Jersey Marine fisheries council supported a NJ saltwater license with a 7-2 vote
Cape May co. Charter and party boat ass. voiced their support at the NJ council meeting (8000 members)
NJ federation of sportsmen's clubs {100,000 members} support a NJ saltwater license
CCA the largest angler ass.{100,000} members on the east coast support a saltwater license
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thud ::)
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I would say the majority of NJ anglers do not support the free registration bill. I called the Senator today. I do not support the free registry bill. I also sent this info. and more:
**** **** poll resulted in 68% supporting a NJ saltwater license. 50,000 members
******** poll resulted in 92% supporting a NJ saltwater license
New Jersey Marine fisheries council supported a NJ saltwater license with a 7-2 vote
Cape May co. Charter and party boat ass. voiced their support at the NJ council meeting (8000 members)
NJ federation of sportsmen's clubs {100,000 members} support a NJ saltwater license
CCA the largest angler ass.{100,000} members on the east coast support a saltwater license
Ben I saw you silly poll on the Bass Barn (yeah, I said it, Bass Barn) of your 5000 member quote, there were ONLY 201 who voted!!!!!!!!! WTF IS THAT??????? You give a 5000 member figure and only a handful voted!!! How the hell is that realistic?!?!?!?!?!?! OH yeah, you don't let facts get in the way of your decisions and posts/rants. Yes, I just looked at the pole, 137 yes votes and 64 no votes. BUT 4799 NON VOTERS!!!!!!!!! NOW THAT'S A FACT THAT YOU IGNORE. The ones who did not vote mearly ignored the poll as they knew it was a farce.
Do go ahead and boast about your figures. But in the future use honest figures and not made up figure.
As far as the other groups that you mentioned. I certainly would like to see if it the members who feel that way or if it the executive boards of them clubs. My money is on the exec board members and not the body.
Keep drinking the koo-aid.
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Oh silly me, I forgot to mention the wording of the poll also came into play with the way the guys voted.
How is this for an unbiased poll?
Given a choice would you buy a NJ saltwater license if the money was only used for the enhancement of NJ saltwater fishing?
That out of towner, is cut and paste directly from the poll. No words were change, nothing was altered.
I think a lot would vote for a license, IF A LICENSE IS INEVITABLE, if the money was to be ONLY used for the enhancement of fishing.
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Irishayes, It was a poll not a vote! It was a poll taken from a membership that includes all users of the saltwater fishing resource.
Remember it was a Poll not a vote. A good poll is an excellent way to determine how people will vote in a general election, who will buy a certain product or whatever. The universities have it down to a science. An accurate poll is one that would produce the same results if taken numerous times. To produce an accurate poll it must hit the intended group. Examples a poll on the best sport fish would be much more accurate if taken on the bass barn opposed to a women's bodybuilding site. A poll of a Cape May County Senators likelihood of being reelected taken in Cape May County would produce accurate results opposed to the poll being taken in Essex Co..
What percentage of the group must be polled for the poll to be recognize? Faileigh Dickinson University's poll on the last NJ Governor race contacted 694 New Jersey voters, we have 9,000,000 residents in NJ. The poll proved to be extremely accurate.
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NJ Senate Environmental and Energy Committee
Senator Bob Smith - Chair
Legislative District 17
216 Stelton Road
Suite E-5
Piscataway, NJ 08854-3284
Phone: 732-752-0770
Fax: 732-752-1590
Email: SenBSmith@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=53
Senator Robert M. Gordon - Vice-Chair
Legislative District 38
14-25 Plaza Road
P.O. Box 398
Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
Phone: 201-703-9779
Fax: 201-703-8127
Email: SenGordon@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=307
Senator Christopher "Kip" Bateman
Legislative District 16
36 East Main Street
Somerville, NJ 08876-2308
Phone: 908-526-3600
Fax: 908-707-4578
Email: SenBateman@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=304
Senator James Beach
Legislative District 6
1916 Route 70 East
Suite 3
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003-2172
Phone: 856-489-3442
Fax: 856-489-4180
Email: SenBeach@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=310
Senator Jennifer Beck
Legislative District 12
32 Monmouth Street
3rd Floor
Red Bank, NJ 07701
Phone: 732-933-1591
Fax: 732-933-1598
Email: SenBeck@njleg.org
Official Website: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/BIO.asp?Leg=303
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Irishayes, It was a poll not a vote! It was a poll taken from a membership that includes all users of the saltwater fishing resource.
Remember it was a Poll not a vote. A good poll is an excellent way to determine how people will vote in a general election, who will buy a certain product or whatever. The universities have it down to a science. An accurate poll is one that would produce the same results if taken numerous times. To produce an accurate poll it must hit the intended group. Examples a poll on the best sport fish would be much more accurate if taken on the bass barn opposed to a women's bodybuilding site. A poll of a Cape May County Senators likelihood of being reelected taken in Cape May County would produce accurate results opposed to the poll being taken in Essex Co..
What percentage of the group must be polled for the poll to be recognize? Faileigh Dickinson University's poll on the last NJ Governor race contacted 694 New Jersey voters, we have 9,000,000 residents in NJ. The poll proved to be extremely accurate.
Dick, thanks for the lesson in political science. A poll, vote, whatever is only as good as the quality of the question. A loaded question will get you the answer that you are looking for.
How's this one:
If you have to option of pissing your pants one time or crapping your pants every day for the rest of your life, which one would you pick?
Pissing or crapping. I think most would pick pissing (although I know some who would chose the crapping ;D) as the more favorable option in that scenario.
That, sir, is how your question was made. Given the evil of having a license, etc.
Has anyone else had enough of Capt Mac?
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Irishayes, It was a poll not a vote! It was a poll taken from a membership that includes all users of the saltwater fishing resource.
Remember it was a Poll not a vote. A good poll is an excellent way to determine how people will vote in a general election, who will buy a certain product or whatever. The universities have it down to a science. An accurate poll is one that would produce the same results if taken numerous times. To produce an accurate poll it must hit the intended group. Examples a poll on the best sport fish would be much more accurate if taken on the bass barn opposed to a women's bodybuilding site. A poll of a Cape May County Senators likelihood of being reelected taken in Cape May County would produce accurate results opposed to the poll being taken in Essex Co..
What percentage of the group must be polled for the poll to be recognize? Faileigh Dickinson University's poll on the last NJ Governor race contacted 694 New Jersey voters, we have 9,000,000 residents in NJ. The poll proved to be extremely accurate.
Irishayes, I hope you have a better understanding of how a poll works. The poll question was thought to be clear enough by a political scientist for the poll to be honorable. However maybe you need something a little easer to comprehend.
Choose one:
I would pay 15 dollars for a NJ license if the money was dedicated to enhance NJ fishing.
I would rather save the 15 dollars.
Is that clear enough for you?
Do you think our State Senators and fishing organizations should recognize the majority of fishermen?
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Irishayes, It was a poll not a vote! It was a poll taken from a membership that includes all users of the saltwater fishing resource.
Remember it was a Poll not a vote. A good poll is an excellent way to determine how people will vote in a general election, who will buy a certain product or whatever. The universities have it down to a science. An accurate poll is one that would produce the same results if taken numerous times. To produce an accurate poll it must hit the intended group. Examples a poll on the best sport fish would be much more accurate if taken on the bass barn opposed to a women's bodybuilding site. A poll of a Cape May County Senators likelihood of being reelected taken in Cape May County would produce accurate results opposed to the poll being taken in Essex Co..
What percentage of the group must be polled for the poll to be recognize? Faileigh Dickinson University's poll on the last NJ Governor race contacted 694 New Jersey voters, we have 9,000,000 residents in NJ. The poll proved to be extremely accurate.
Irishayes, I hope you have a better understanding of how a poll works. The poll question was thought to be clear enough by a political scientist for the poll to be honorable. However maybe you need something a little easer to comprehend.
Choose one:
I would pay 15 dollars for a NJ license if the money was dedicated to enhance NJ fishing.
I would rather save the 15 dollars.
Is that clear enough for you?
Do you think our State Senators and fishing organizations should recognize the majority of fishermen?
I have sat back and read your posts and it is quite obvious that you have some agenda/or some axe to grind.
The issue at hand is simple:
A: pay $15 to a Federal Registry that puts the money in the general coffers and no fish,animal or sportsman will benefit
or
B; A no fee State registry (if our politicians get off there arse)
That is it end of story, no what ifs, maybes, because or I think.
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.. Sorry Mac. It's looking like your time here will be short lived again. Maybe take you agenda over to a place that "Fisherman" actually agree with you.
But I don't think there is such a place.. 5hrug
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Mac, chose an answer from my poll below.
1. You are a complete moron who can not apprehend what someone is saying.
2. You are too into yourself to care what someone else is saying.
That is my poll. Do you think it is a fair poll? Kind of insulting to you, don't you think? According to your reasoning the only thing that matters is how the participants responded. It doesn't matter how the poll was worded, But what ever answers you get, then that will be the absolute conclusion that is reached. If given a choice between #1 and #2 of my poll, which one do you choose? You see, this is how your poll was. Do you really think it is a proper way to hold a poll? I certainly don't.
When you have a poll and ask someone to chose between two evils it does not make the lesser evil any less evil. Just lesser than the other choice.
And to conclude the poll, you have to include the no opinions. Your poll had 201 responses and 4799 no opinions. That comes into play also. Or did the universities fail to address that part?
Now, let's put this to rest and perhaps you can post a report of the great fishing you are doing down in the Cape May area.
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Now, let's put this to rest and perhaps you can post a report of the great fishing you are doing down in the Cape May area.
Now There is a Thought t^
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thud I'm exhausted............................
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thud I'm exhausted............................
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Can we just get on with the inevitable??? >:(
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Man what is going on here? Looks like I need to handle this rgmn rgmn Take that!
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Can we just get on with the inevitable??? >:(
Death is inevitable, should we get on with that? 5hrug I think not. :-*
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Not sure how he can make these claims about helping the fishery, when the money won't even be going into the fishery. :headscra:
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What ever... nosmly
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I started this post a while ago. Never read the replies. Until now.
The bottom line is, what do we have to fish for? Will the party boats stay in business? That my friends is the bottom line!