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NJ Saltwater Fishing Reports and Information => General Fishing Topics => Topic started by: overbite on September 28, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
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5hrug With 130 miles of Ocean coast line 1000s of SQ miles of Ocean Sandy Hook to Cape May. Not counting the Bays and rivers., and the fact that New Jersey is almost a Island. Can a spot be burned ???.
My guess is yes when its a local one with limited access. As the Beach shore & surf season comes upon us. can one really burn a spot with Bait shops making reports some honest some not so honest as fishermen stating where they fished fcp As i have many times. by just saying yea Port Monmouth. And with beach surf fishing The fish Hit and have moved on and the spot is new the next minute or day.
My feelings are when a area is constantly producing its :-X 5hrug for sure . what say you.
I do see a open spot unless that guy is headed there smk
Any guesses on where the photo was taken t^
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Burning a spot.. lets see.. I can fish the same spot and not catch while someone else is. I can fish on the same boat and catch while someone else isn't.. In saltwater, I don't think you can burn a spot. The fish move in and out every day, actually every tide. Maybe you can burn a specific spot off a wreck, but even at that, try to anchor in the same spot the same way twice in a row.
I, for one, if I am catching and others aren't, I would gladly lead them to where the bite is at that moment. The ocean is big, there are a ton of fish, plenty to share and we are all fisherman on the same team, so sharing the sport as well as the spots are OK with me.
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:headscra:...Salmon River?.. :-X...I don't beleive you can burn a spot. To try and get two or three boats on the same drift....Yea right, and I too would call someone in if I was catching and they were not....Gas is way too much to drive around searching when you fish alone like I do...... chrz
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At NJSWF "spot burning" is welcomed. We are sportsmen and sportswomen, fishers and a brotherhood. That's how I see this site. I'm pushing 60 so in my day fishers would not withhold honest information. OK, if you are a trout fisherman and you found a deep hole in a stream off the beaten path that's one thing, but a surf fisherman or a boater? No.
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nosmly on the spot burns.
In monmouth county there are few spots and few secrets. Ocean has much more room until you start giving people a reason to travel further south, i.e. IBSP last Thanksgiving weekend. I like my privacy
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I don't think you can spot burn either. I see other sites where it is against the rules and they will ban you if you don't give a location as Northern Ocean County or Southern Monmouth County...get real smk! Would I expect someone to give away a favorite honey hole or coordinates on a favorite ocean spot, NO...but live posting of a blitz going on in the surf at A8 in IBSP or just outside of the Shark River Inlet, is not spot burning. First of all, you have to expect when the fish are there, so will everyone else. When the fish aren't there, you have to work a little harder for them. On the beach, structure can change daily, especially in Fall into Winter Seasons. One hole with a nice cut one day, is full of sand the next! As for freshwater fishing, giving a lake or river you are fishing, is not spot burning either.
TT^
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Here is my take on the subject. I have no problem telling people I am friendly with a spot or two (one spot to me is sacred though). I won't always tell my technique or what caught but have no problem telling people what kind of bait is around. Back bay spots can be burnt to the ground. They are few and far between and usually have some unwelcoming home owners that do not want increased traffic. The ocean cant be burnt as bad since it has so many factors that affect the fishing. I put my leg work in to find productive places to fish so I expect the same from every other fisherman. Finally I really don't like the idea of broadcasting spots over the Internet (burn able or not). If it was member only no big deal, but every asshat in the world looking to take shortcuts can view your reports and bring 10 of his noisy littering asshat friends every night until the neighbors complain and have the place shut down.
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Burning a spot.. lets see.. I can fish the same spot and not catch while someone else is. I can fish on the same boat and catch while someone else isn't.. In saltwater, I don't think you can burn a spot. The fish move in and out every day, actually every tide. Maybe you can burn a specific spot off a wreck, but even at that, try to anchor in the same spot the same way twice in a row.
I, for one, if I am catching and others aren't, I would gladly lead them to where the bite is at that moment. The ocean is big, there are a ton of fish, plenty to share and we are all fisherman on the same team, so sharing the sport as well as the spots are OK with me.
I have walked away from my sacred spot knowing i can catch but refuse to if someone else can see me. I've seen this happen: get to a spot where someone else is, catch a fish right away while the other guy scratches his head. Come back the next night and the guy has 12 rods and two friends throwing everything they can think of. Now I could still step in and fish, but a lot of these back side spots are too small and morally I don't like mugging people out of their space if they are there first
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I have to agree with everyone. Its not spot burning it is a angling informational. Like it has been said here many times, times are rough and for many of us that are on fixed incomes monies are tight. The less we have to guess where ti fish the better we are at coping with this economy.
I for one have not been out on the beach for most of this year simply because I can not justify the running around looking for the right place to fish and catch.
In the spring and fall now that is a different situation. These seasons are the prime times to catch that elusive bass or just have fun wrestling with a huge 15 pound blue.
With the way this season is going it might be a good one again if the water temps stay higher than usual. But, that might change as they are calling for colder that normal temps and well I hate to say it an earlier that normal snow season.
So if you don't like being told where the fish are or were biting you are at the wrong site my friend. This site is all about friendships and learning. I have made some awesome friends on here and if I can't tell them where I caught well lets just say the learning part has just been wasted.
I love to give my experiences away for free for as long as I can remember. I have taught many people the ins and outs of fishing off the surf and telling them where it fish is just one aspect as long as they learn something out of it.
What can you learn from spot burning? well, if there is more than one person posting you can gauge how fast the school or run is moving at that time and in the fall head further south to meet up with the school down the beach before anyone else is there.
Well that is my .25 (inflation).
Happy Catching
Paul
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At NJSWF "spot burning" is welcomed.
I wouldn't go that far.. ;D maybe in a PM ;D But then there is also " Location" that is a little easier to burn..
If I ran into a lump offshore that held a lot of fish. In no way... would post that Spot t^
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Iagree with Rod. I spend a lot of time and gas marking little nooks and crannies on the reef that hold seabass, fluke and tog. I'll tell you the area but not the spot. I'm not sharing unless it reciprocated.
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I would tell fellow members here where I have caught through PM but never actually post exact locations. I understand and appreciate our community here, but these are not closed doors my friends, its the internet.
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Its not only burning a spot.....I have a couple docks I fish and can fish them any night and produce fish each and every time with my kayak.......But the docks that I'm fishing around belong to the people sleeping and who have boats around the docks.......I don't need others who dint respect the area or the people.....Lights being shined into the windows.....lures hitting the boats.....loud talking...... No thanks.... I love my fishing way to much...to lose what I have.
Kayak-1
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At NJSWF "spot burning" is welcomed.
I wouldn't go that far.. ;D maybe in a PM ;D But then there is also " Location" that is a little easier to burn..
If I ran into a lump offshore that held a lot of fish. In no way... would post that Spot t^
I would agree that there could be exceptions.
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Teach someone how to fish and they will become an angler. Tell someone where to fish and you will be picking up someone else's litter once word gets out.....and it always does. Loose lips sink ships
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Its not only burning a spot.....I have a couple docks I fish and can fish them any night and produce fish each and every time with my kayak.......But the docks that I'm fishing around belong to the people sleeping and who have boats around the docks.......I don't need others who dint respect the area or the people.....Lights being shined into the windows.....lures hitting the boats.....loud talking...... No thanks.... I love my fishing way to much...to lose what I have.
Kayak-1
I agree with you Kayak1
In the back bays and sod banks of south jersey--where people have SPOTS-and I have seen it--1-post on a forum can ruin a whole area-BUT only by the people that go there after seeing it and disregard the natural beauty of where people are fishing--This is by (not the people that are there ) But by the people that THINK they can go there and DISRUPT-what people have been doing for years.
The words SPOT BURNING In my opinion should never be used--As it is the WORDS of people that go to these places( and NEVER fished there) and say-(I didn't catch nothing) and leave all there trash behind for the "locals" to clean up.
I will always give info-That I know to anyone on this forum.(not others)if I hear of a great place that is producing-But not on the forum-but through pms. ( if private areas)--not at all!!
We as fisherman-I hope will always do this.
This is what this site is all about--Helping each other!!!(AND DON"T GET ME WRONG)--I will never tell anyone of my friends place-that lives on a Creek--he catches 5 bushells of crabs a day on his dock and tell you to go there)--That is WRONG!!!!
Sorry for the rant thud
So as posted before on here--Here is HUNTER 2's Favorite SPOTS--in the Raritan bay-----(some mine too)
the only thing you don't know is
When
Tide
Bait
moon
time
season
who your with (REALLY BIG)
what fish
etc
etc
etc
Like what was said--I can fish on the same boat next to someone--same bait--I get nothing and the person next to you catches everything
Below SPOTS IN tHe Raritan
good luck
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If you think you are not spot burning then you are not fishing. Unless you are invisible everyone and their brother knows where you are/were fishing, especially if you post a good fishing day.
Name on the side of your boat, spot burn. 'Oh, there's so and so, he posted yesterday that he had a good catch, let's see where he's going.'
Impossible not to burn a spot if people know you are catching. Watch the Fish Monger when he is out, he usually had a couple of tails on him all day. He moves, two or three boats move with him. Same happens with TNT, Tom moves, the armada is with him. Watch the party boats, same thing happens.
Gotta get me one of those invisible boats so nobody sees where I fish. TT^
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Hey......I look at it this way....You send a kid to school to learn....and if your always given them the answers on there home work.....They learn nothing.
Well if I keep telling people where to fish.....They will never learn HOW TO FISH
I have been fishing for over 40 years and can read the water....I know just the right place to cast the plug into the feeding zone of fish......This took years of walking the beach and paddling the back waters and a lot of lost sleep.
I see the same names on this site...Day after day......You guys know what I'm talking about.....You all put your time in the same school of fishing as me.
Sorry me to.... IKAT
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If you think you are not spot burning then you are not fishing. Unless you are invisible everyone and their brother knows where you are/were fishing, especially if you post a good fishing day.
Name on the side of your boat, spot burn. 'Oh, there's so and so, he posted yesterday that he had a good catch, let's see where he's going.'
Impossible not to burn a spot if people know you are catching. Watch the Fish Monger when he is out, he usually had a couple of tails on him all day. He moves, two or three boats move with him. Same happens with TNT, Tom moves, the armada is with him. Watch the party boats, same thing happens.
Gotta get me one of those invisible boats so nobody sees where I fish. TT^
Land based is different than boat fishing.But I've fished on tog boats that only go to their secret spots on foggy days. When I'm sneaking around the back bays. I park discretely, work under the cover of darkness, and pay attention to who (if anyone) is around me. Now my wife has the "find your iPhone" app and keeps threatening to post my locations on Facebook. My response is that i drop my phone off at another spot and pick it up on my way home ;D nts
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Geez, I'm so damn proud of having actually found some fish that I'm happy to tell anyone and everyone where it was hahaha! Unfortunately I could probably burn alot more places NOT to fish than otherwise. rofla
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There's nothing wrong with holding your cards close to your vest. There's nothing wrong with being a loner, I am mostly. But if you feel that you don't want to share with other sportspeople, then don't join any blogs, forums or anything where people exchange information. There's nothing wrong with going alone. There are people who like to share, maybe not every single thing, but most places, colors, lure type, techniques, etc. and there's certainly nothing wrong with that either.
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There's nothing wrong with holding your cards close to your vest. There's nothing wrong with being a loner, I am mostly. But if you feel that you don't want to share with other sportspeople, then don't join any blogs, forums or anything where people exchange information. There's nothing wrong with going alone. There are people who like to share, maybe not every single thing, but most places, colors, lure type, techniques, etc. and there's certainly nothing wrong with that either.
Try to see the other side though. If you fish a spot your whole life with only a handful of others and someone on a blog joins in, catches a fish, and wants to share by posting the location over the Internet for the whole world to see. How is that fair to the people who fish that spot regularly, that didnt join a forum or blog, but now have crowds of report chasers destroying and ultimately shutting down a spot. I'm not saying its their spot and no one else in the world is allowed in or that posting locations is not helpful. There is a new age of fishermen coming up that want the wisdom of an old salt by doing a quick internet search and then not posting any useful information to reciprocate. How many one time posters do you see come on here or any other site ask where, when, what, and how and are then never heard from again. I'm specifically referring to land based as the simple fact that there are so many jerk offs that make such a mess out of places that will never be able to afford any sort of boat let alone put gas in it regularly.
I'm very territorial.... ^-^
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Hey......I look at it this way....You send a kid to school to learn....and if your always given them the answers on there home work.....They learn nothing.
Well if I keep telling people where to fish.....They will never learn HOW TO FISH
I have been fishing for over 40 years and can read the water....I know just the right place to cast the plug into the feeding zone of fish......This took years of walking the beach and paddling the back waters and a lot of lost sleep.
I see the same names on this site...Day after day......You guys know what I'm talking about.....You all put your time in the same school of fishing as me.
Sorry me to.... IKAT
What is meant by you guys know what I'm talking about. I don't. Bill chrz
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First Fluke-u that photo is the Anchor River Anchorage Alaska. on a slow day they are some times 3 deep cfzd
I thank all for the responses slt one thing is we all agree sharing is good. helping others is good. And depending on local locations sharing can hurt. giving exact locations such as Numbers can hurt. saying the north side of the mud hole can not. Or a ocean surf location is hit and miss. to post a jetty off 8th ave hurts, limited space. I like taking a ride along the shore from Manasquan up to the tip of the hook, and along the Bay shore most times to keyport and then home. I post what I see in general.
there are not many secrets along that trip. but for a few Jettys, holes, dead end streets, low access areas, little parking, I won't SPOT BURN .
how does the words Spot Burn translate into leaving trash on the beaches.
One Example Union Beach where I fish very regularly,
years ago it was a dump for guys fishing there most from out of town as was I. then it got cleaned up from the parking to trash cans and line disposal containers why people cared and told others to clean up their acts. and I see it all along the bay shore. where many regulars fish. some just can't count or read a ruler fcp. So enjoy the fall season on the sand I will, Bill
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Post a hot spot on the Member den to avoid lurkers is that a good Idea 5hrug
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Post a hot spot on the Member den to avoid lurkers is that a good Idea 5hrug
Loose lips sink ships. I can count on one hand who I talk to about specific spots. Two of them are members here
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I am a sharer... thats just me!! I like when people I like catch fish and have a good time doing it so yes I tell, share, and hope that they catch fish when I do!
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I am a sharer... thats just me!! I like when people I like catch fish and have a good time doing it so yes I tell, share, and hope that they catch fish when I do!
Same here t^
But wont ever tell someone about someone elses spot that was told to me in confidence
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I think its called networking... Do you think any of these captains would be catching these huge limits if they weren't networking with other boats? I got called into a bite a few times and I always reciprocate.
I do agree with the above that, if I am only out 1 day a week, I hate to burn a tank of fuel in search for a good catch. A little lead is always appreciated. Again, you can be on the exact spot, but you still have to learn the technique to catch these fish. Think about how many times you are on the same boat as others and some limit out and some don't and you are on the same boat.
I had help from others and will also extend my hand and help others.
We here on NJSWF are networking. There is a brotherhood here and we share tips, trips, location, and spots. We are the most helpful fishing site around. Maybe the fishing reports should be limited to members only and not the entire public.
This is how easy it is to burn a spot. If you wanna fish on a top notch boat, like the fish monger, all it takes is your smart phone gps to get his exact location and then use it the next day on your own.
I can give you a barrel full of fish, but you still have to use the right bait, rigs and technique to get those fish from your barrel and into your cooler
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I think its called networking... Do you think any of these captains would be catching these huge limits if they weren't networking with other boats? I got called into a bite a few times and I always reciprocate.
I do agree with the above that, if I am only out 1 day a week, I hate to burn a tank of fuel in search for a good catch. A little lead is always appreciated. Again, you can be on the exact spot, but you still have to learn the technique to catch these fish. Think about how many times you are on the same boat as others and some limit out and some don't and you are on the same boat.
I had help from others and will also extend my hand and help others.
We here on NJSWF are networking. There is a brotherhood here and we share tips, trips, location, and spots. We are the most helpful fishing site around. Maybe the fishing reports should be limited to members only and not the entire public.
This is how easy it is to burn a spot. If you wanna fish on a top notch boat, like the fish monger, all it takes is your smart phone gps to get his exact location and then use it the next day on your own.
I can give you a barrel full of fish, but you still have to use the right bait, rigs and technique to get those fish from your barrel and into your cooler
And then the lurker looks up every other post where they offer all that info up other than the spot. No shortage or what and how on the web.
Really guys, boat fishermen don't seem to mind as much as surfcasters do, particularly those fishing the bay side. The challenge in fishing the backwaters by foot is locating them.
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I'll tell you the area but not the spot. I'm not sharing unless it reciprocated.
whs
sum's are better than others at recipumrocating...
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I can count on one hand who I talk to about specific spots. Two of them are members here
also whs
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I burned a SPOT ONCE--it was terrible rgmn
The rest were fine--Just turned the heat down a little and they tasted fine.. ::)
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Great post, I have a feeling I know where you are referring too. Fish are migratory and like most predators they move/hunt regularly or spawn during their biological so I don't think a spot can be burned through fishing (pollution sure). I believe that fishing pressure definitely will decrease the bites/catch, but if the blues per se are blitzing, they will blitz. On the other hand, I always, in my ocd head, always thought that the fish were probably smart enough to know to come back after that silly chumming session, for one could see there were probably not many fish caught. But there was definitely a good amount of bait/chum left behind.............Who knows timing is everything................
Cheers,
Mike
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Its funny how the there are people who don't want to burn a spot when asked, but when you see them on the water, there are 100 boats fishing around them already.. WTF..
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Its funny how the there are people who don't want to burn a spot when asked, but when you see them on the water, there are 100 boats fishing around them already.. WTF..
I owe you my for my first spring Striper of 2011. I would never share that spot with anyone since it was given to me in confidentiality. Bottom line I'd never share someone else's spot given to me. Outside of that I generally follow the "anchor" rule. If the spot requires me to drop anchor to be right over a certain piece of structure, or certain type of bottom that I know yields fish I wouldn't give it up freely over the internet. I'd certainly share it with friends here on the site though.
If it's a drift fishing spot then yeah I'll share it. It's not like there's any rocket science to a drift spot and it's not like people are going to land themselves right on it again. Plus more often than not a drift spot may be good one day and poor the next. Last year I made a killing on fluke at the 8 and 9 cans of the raritan reach very early in the season. Had no problem sharing that spot. 2 weeks later I couldn't find a fish there. For drift fishing the water temps, tides, moon phase, wind conditions, depth, etc... have far more influence than the actual spot.
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refresh my memory.. did I give you a location or my gps readings?
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refresh my memory.. did I give you a location or my gps readings?
Yes. That's how Mike gave me the spot that you gave him... ;D
Just kidding Nick t^
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refresh my memory.. did I give you a location or my gps readings?
Yes. That's how Mike have me the spot that you gave him... ;D
Just kidding Nick t^
LOL.. you don't have to kid... Im ok with giving spots to help others.. You helped me also Eddie when i was up that way... Thats what is it all about..
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Great post, I have a feeling I know where you are referring too. Fish are migratory and like most predators they move/hunt regularly or spawn during their biological so I don't think a spot can be burned through fishing (pollution sure). I believe that fishing pressure definitely will decrease the bites/catch, but if the blues per se are blitzing, they will blitz. On the other hand, I always, in my ocd head, always thought that the fish were probably smart enough to know to come back after that silly chumming session, for one could see there were probably not many fish caught. But there was definitely a good amount of bait/chum left behind.............Who knows timing is everything................
Cheers,
Mike
Ok, my definition of a spot burn does include catching all the fish out of an area. It's the area itself that gets wrecked by the "inconsiderates" who hear a report and show up and wreck the place by littering, being loud, etc.
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Spot burners on my boat DO NOT COME BACK ON MY BOAT...ask a certain MOLE.... perfect example... busted himself.... said mole fished with me one day and said hey Tom, here is a fluke number thats pretty good.... But don't tell Kevin i gave it to you because its one of his good ones... Ok Art uhh I mean Mole no problem.... when i get around to pluggin it into my machine this new good mystery number the mole gave me, which he took off a good friend of his, is actually 2 ft off a number i have been fishing forever, and one that has won the FSOS fluke tourney in the past.... TRUE STORY.....point is Trust NO ONE
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If it's a drift fishing spot then yeah I'll share it. It's not like there's any rocket science to a drift spot and it's not like people are going to land themselves right on it again. Plus more often than not a drift spot may be good one day and poor the next. Last year I made a killing on fluke at the 8 and 9 cans of the raritan reach very early in the season. Had no problem sharing that spot. 2 weeks later I couldn't find a fish there. For drift fishing the water temps, tides, moon phase, wind conditions, depth, etc... have far more influence than the actual spot.
Maybe I should change my definition of a spot burn. You mighta had bottom paved with fluke all season if ya didn't let the fleet know ;)
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Along the same lines....... I have been fishing the Point Pleasant Canal for years as far back as to when the old Rt 88 bridge was still in place......
Back in those days I would show up after midnight when most are sound a sleep.....fishing in there back yards....I never would use a light..... I never fished bait......and had nothing to clean up......and boy was the fishing great.
The police back then would always ask how the fishing was...... or just drive past a wave.
Today.....WoW how things have changed.....Signs posted to keep out.....Big blue garbage tubs full of old bait with a horrible smell.......Fishing line left for you to trip on......people let the dogs go on the path.......Beer cans left at street ends.
This was my spot to fish.......and look what happen....... Kayak-1 t^
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refresh my memory.. did I give you a location or my gps readings?
You gave me a location. It wasn't GPS but the description was dead on obvious.