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Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« on: December 08, 2009, 09:10:32 AM »
www.ustream.tv

in the search type "mafmc"

look for the blurry picture on the left and click on that.

enjoy or not... :-((
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 09:29:30 AM »
Right now the feed is down and not working.  I will post when it is up again...Figures. nosmly :P
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 09:35:19 AM »
I'm in should be pretty interesting.  when they get the feed fixed...



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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 09:42:11 AM »
Feed back up and running.
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 09:58:14 AM »
Cool if it works... I see Paul chatting with a group. Audio still down!

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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 10:26:08 AM »
Working now..



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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 10:46:14 AM »
Well I was listing and if what we heard is true  rgmn rgmn rgmn Not good and then up goes the casualty rate because of increased throw
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 10:51:41 AM »
non-preferred coastwide measures of a 19.5 inch TL minimum size, 2 fish possession limit and coastwide season from May 1 to September 30, 2010 and a precautionary default measure of 21.5 inch TL minimum size, 2 fish possession limit and coastwide season from May 1 to September 30, 2010.   :'( :'(

It is further moved that technical proposals submitted by the states under the ASMFC process should provide an explanation of past management history as identified by
the summer flounder Monitoring Committee meeting summary dated November 18, 2009.Council:  Munden/Himchak (14/3/1)Board: Munden/Fote (7/1/1/0)Motion carries
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 11:15:22 AM »
I may be wrong but I thought they voted down the coastwide and elected to keep the conservation equivalence. Which is state by state. 5hrug
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 11:18:43 AM »
Like Rod mentioned the following was just voted on by the Mid Atlantic Fishery Management Council (MAFMC) and is as follows:

non-preferred coastwide measures of a 19.5 inch TL minimum size, 2 fish possession limit and coastwide season from May 1 to September 30, 2010 and a precautionary default measure of 21.5 inch TL minimum size, 2 fish possession limit and coastwide season from May 1 to September 30, 2010.  

It is further moved that technical proposals submitted by the states under the ASMFC process should provide an explanation of past management history as identified by
the summer flounder Monitoring Committee meeting summary dated November 18, 2009.Council:  Munden/Himchak (14/3/1)Board: Munden/Fote (7/1/1/0)Motion carries


This meeting started at 8:30 with testimony by the board and public input as well.  It seemed to this listener that the minds of the council was made up before hand as heard by off mike statements early on.  The meeting is being held in Wilmington, Delaware.  The issues will be felt by all as a result of this vote and should not be taken lightly.  We as recreational fishermen need to get involved and make our points be heard over special interests such as PEW.

There will be another session going on now that will deal with scup and the spiny dogfish.  At 3 PM the same committee will discuss and take recommendations on the management of Black Sea Bass.

We will have to wait till the whole text comes out as there were a number of feed loses and a lot of information was lost but the above text was sent via a chat room on the ustream site.

If you are interested the following is the route to take:

www.usteam.tv

In the search box type:

"mafmc"

There will be a box on your left click on it and it should bring you to the meeting.

You can chat as well and I urge all to get into the discussion on line.

It looks like the season will be a dismal one next year.  Get on board and get involved as much as you can.

Happy Catching (Gulp)

Paul
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 11:22:04 AM by ped579 »
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 07:00:27 PM »
I may be wrong but I thought they voted down the coastwide and elected to keep the conservation equivalence. Which is state by state. 5hrug
i was on the water today and heard this as well joe....thats what im hoping for anyway!
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 07:12:42 PM »
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Fisheries regulators meet today in Wilmington over catch limits

KIRK MOORE • STAFF WRITER • December 8, 2009

State and regional fisheries regulators will continue to allow New Jersey and other Atlantic states to make the best deals possible for their own recreational fishermen while trying to achieve conservation goals for summer flounder.

Staffers with the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council had recommended a single coastwide standard for 2010 that would limit anglers to a minimum summer flounder size of 19.5 inches and taking home no more than two fish per day.

"We would have to severely raise our size limit," said Peter Himchak of the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife, which this year set an 18-inch minimum and six-fish daily limit for Shore anglers.

But in a lopsided vote, only New York State representatives supported a return to a single coastwide standard - a limit that would actually give relief to their party and charter boat industry, which has seen its business plummet under a 21-inch minimum size limit and shortened seasons.

For years, states have been allowed to work out their own annual rules, under a principle called conservation equivalency that gives states flexibility in meeting the goals. New Jersey captains Tony Bogan and Adam Nowalsky spoke in favor of keeping those rules at the Wilmington, De. joint meeting of the council and Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission.

Under six years of coastwide limits that started back in the 1990s, it appeared that recreational quotas were exceeded by as much as 62 percent, but in the last six years when New Jersey used conservation equivalency rules, "we were under for three of those years, and over in three years only because of those drastic cuts to the (summer flounder) quota" that started in 2005, Bogan said.

And those estimated overages were far less, he added. "If the council had voted for this, it would have been against their own mandate" to conserve fish, he said.

Critics say conservation equivalency has contributed to skewing the summer flounder fishery in favor of some states, especially New Jersey whose anglers capture the lion's share of the recreational quota. The biological structure of the flounder stock and nature of the fishery has changed so much since 1998, the date used as a management baseline, that it's time to return to a coastwide standard, said Tony DiLernia, a spokesman for New York recreational groups.

The meeting continues today, with discussions of 2010 management measures for scup and black sea bass, and a recommendation to reduce the quota for spiny dogfish, despite recent efforts to widen the commercial fishery for those small sharks.

The council is Web streaming live video and audio of the meeting at www.ustream.tv/channel/mafmctv.

APP Article

Maybe this will clarify it a little.  I was watching the meeting as well.  It was very confusing.  I am not sure these people on the panel are educated.  They sound like bumbling idiots, patting each other on the back and making off comments about anglers.

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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 07:15:31 PM »
Looks like scup is going to change as well.  They recommended NJ go with 9" and only 10 fish limit cfzd with a July 1 - December 31 Season.

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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 07:42:38 PM »
Vote was in favor of state by state regulations, not coast wide.....season will be shorter.....waiting to get all the particulars

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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 05:21:01 AM »
Had a post I put up last night explaining some detail but now it is gone 5hrug

At any rate, seems you have now all figured out that the council went with conservation equivalency, also known as state by state and the coastwide option of 2 fish @ 19.5 inches was NOT what was chosen.

As of now that should mean little to no change for NJ. Once they have wave 5 numbers (Sept. and Oct.) they will likely even see us going a bit under quota since they use projected landings until the actual numbers come in. Either way NJ should see regs very similar to this past year.

Please keep in mind that the Service still needs to implement it, and there is nothing to prevent them from going coastwide anyway. The council recommendation is just that, just a recommendation, and it has no legal or binding force to it.

The RA from NMFS has been on the record the past couple years that she is in favor of coastwide, and she made no bones about it this year either.

I do believe the position of those of us who spoke in favor of cons. equiv. was a good one and left little room for debate. Afterall, I simply used the best available data from the government to show how much more effective cons. equiv. is than coastwide ;D

The other two options you saw posted (non-preferred coastwide and default precautionary) are always set each year. What that original e-mail missed was the first part of the motion stating cons. equiv.

Gotta run, I am heading back to drydock today for CG inspection. No more fisheries fun and games for me today nts
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Re: Mid-Atylantic Fishery Meeting Live stream
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 07:40:14 AM »
I head some of the stuff on the live feed I was getting poor audio). You certainly had your crap together and made and excellent pitch.  chrz

I am glad you are on our side.  TT^
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