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Offline Kensdock

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The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« on: February 24, 2010, 05:58:09 PM »
THE COST OF NOT HAVING A
SALT WATER FISHING LICENSE
TO THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE SALT WATER FISHERMEN OF NEW JERSEY

150 Million in federal stimulus money

7 Salt water hatcheries

3,129 immediate construction jobs benefiting local economies near hatchery sites.

169 permanent green jobs in the form of biologists and other hatchery personnel.

Millions of dollars of New Jersey’s fair share of the Federal excise tax return.

40 million dollars annually in license fees to enhance New Jersey salt water fishing

Millions in lost tourist dollars

Millions of lost recreational fishing hours.

The ability to protect against poaching of our salt water fish.

The continued bankruptcy of bait shops,charter fishing operations,party boats and other related businesses

The ability of New Jersey to responsibly manage the States marine resources.

New Jersey fishermen will lose thier fair share of flounder, sea bass, tug and other fish due to the inability to submit the proper data to the federal government.

Negative impact to our New Jersey shore culture

Reduced value of New Jersey waterfront property

The ability of New Jersey to proactively rebuild the States depleted Weakfish population.

Reduced opportunities for future generations of New Jersey salt water anglers!


References’:

Source: Brett Boston of the Wildlife Foundation of Florida
Excerpt:
A proposal to secure almost $150 million in funding for this effort has been submitted to Congress, as well as to Gov. Charlie Crist’s office.

The money requested would come from Obama’s stimulus package through the state Legislature.

 Excerpts from Cape May County Herald article:

“New Jerseyians are not only losing a revenue source, we are losing fish.”

“When our representatives go to meetings to set regulations for species catch allocations, we are up against states that have larger and more secure funding sources and therefore better research data to plead their case. Once we have lost allocated pounds of a particular species, it will be extremely difficult to get it back up again.”

Quote: Dave Chanda NJ F&W

Competition amongst Atlantic Coast states for shares of coast-wide fisheries resources is increasing at the same time. The winners are often the states with the best scientific data and competing states are spending two to seven times more per angler than New Jersey to collect fisheries data. The consequence of not being able to keep pace was evident in recent tautog harvest restrictions placed on New Jersey anglers because our data was not sufficient to argue against the restrictions. The same could soon be true for winter flounder. Competition for marine resources will continue to increase in the future as will research and monitoring requirements to responsibly manage the state’s marine resources and keep recreational fisheries open to New Jersey anglers. -end quote


. http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st5/publication/econ/MA_NJTables

TITLE 50–WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES
CHAPTER I–UNITED STATES FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR (CONTINUED)
PART 80_ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS, FEDERAL AID IN FISH AND FEDERAL AID IN WILDLIFE RESTORATION ACTS
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Offline Kensdock

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 06:02:20 PM »
**** **** **** poll resulted in 68% supporting a NJ saltwater license.

Kensdock poll resulted in 92% supporting a NJ saltwater license

New Jersey Marine fisheries council supported a NJ saltwater license with a 7-2 vote

Cape May co. Charter and party boat ass. voiced their support at the NJ council meeting

NJ federation of sportsmen's clubs {100,000 members} support a NJ saltwater license

CCA the largest angler ass. {100,000} members on the east coast support a saltwater license

Time has come for the NJ Senate to recognize the majority! I believe NJ Governor Christie will sign a dedicated saltwater license fund bill.


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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 07:17:58 PM »
Stop trying to push this "I disagree" on every fishing site on the web. Your rhetoric is getting as old as your agendas.

A fisherman approving a saltwater license willingly is like me saying my property taxes are too low, please charge me more.

Ken, GTFOH.
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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 07:28:08 PM »
 :headscra: :headscra: :headscra: Hmmmmmmmm, Saltwater Fishing License?  :headscra: :headscra: :headscra:

Do I want one? Will it do any good?

One prime example of what a license will do for you: Delaware, Maryland, Virginia. Proud owners of saltwater fishing license. Sea Bass C-L-O-S-E-D along with all the other states north of Carolina. Little good their license did them.  nosmly nosmly
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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 07:29:36 PM »
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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 07:59:22 PM »
 5hrug

I am not familiar with Kensdock?  Who, what where, when, why??  An introduction would help??

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2010, 08:20:54 PM »
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THE COST OF NOT HAVING A
SALT WATER FISHING LICENSE
TO THE PEOPLE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE SALT WATER FISHERMEN OF NEW JERSEY

150 Million in federal stimulus money

7 Salt water hatcheries

3,129 immediate construction jobs benefiting local economies near hatchery sites.

169 permanent green jobs in the form of biologists and other hatchery personnel.

Millions of dollars of New Jersey’s fair share of the Federal excise tax return.

40 million dollars annually in license fees to enhance New Jersey salt water fishing

Millions in lost tourist dollars

Where are you getting these figures from...hopefully not the same way NOAA counts their fish

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Millions of lost recreational fishing hours.

How, does a license change this?

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The ability to protect against poaching of our salt water fish.

We have State Conservation Officers assigned to a Marine Bureau, as well as State Police.  Where have their salaries been coming from to date?  A license would not and should not change law enforcement efforts nts!

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The continued bankruptcy of bait shops,charter fishing operations,party boats and other related businesses.

You honestly think having to buy a license will change this?

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The ability of New Jersey to responsibly manage the States marine resources.

This should not be dependent on a saltwater license.  There is already a pre-existing agency responsible for this who is not doing their job.  If a saltwater license makes this all better...answer me this:  What about the Chesapeake?

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New Jersey fishermen will lose thier fair share of flounder, sea bass, tug and other fish due to the inability to submit the proper data to the federal government.

Where's Captain TB when we need him ;D?
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Negative impact to our New Jersey shore culture

I ask again, how does a license affect or change this?

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Reduced value of New Jersey waterfront property

I thought fisherman affected this negatively already.  Heck, we can't access half of it anymore, anyway!

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The ability of New Jersey to proactively rebuild the States depleted Weakfish population.

This is not dependent on a license at all.  This is mismanagement on the part of the Department ALREADY responsible for this.  Again, I refer back to the Chesapeake Bay, which is in a State with a saltwater license and yet has managed their species properly.

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Reduced opportunities for future generations of New Jersey salt water anglers!


This I agree with...less and less people will fish, just like with freshwater because they simply can't afford to pay for the license to go fishing occassionally...so they just give up and find a new hobby.
NJ License Sales Statistics


I'm not quite sure where all of these statistics and numbers are coming from and I don't agree with all of your points, either...well most of your points.  I am not specifically against a saltwater license, especially since one way or another it is going to happen.  So either our money goes to the State or the Feds...I'd rather it stay here.  ...And as a freshwater fisherman, buying a license is a yearly occurrence already!

You are trying to propaganda a BIG change and by compiling opinions will not help further the cause!

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2010, 08:23:45 PM »
**** **** **** poll resulted in 68% supporting a NJ saltwater license.

Welcome Kensdock! t^  What is **** **** **** poll? 5hrug

I am not in favor of a saltwater license, but I know others that are.  There are anglers in Florida that believe the saltwater license was beneficial to them.  So your position is not without it's supporters.

I would, however, like to see where you're getting your data from.

$150M in stimulus money? :headscra:
7 Saltwater hatcheries?  :headscra:
3,129 immediate construction jobs?  :headscra:
Etc., etc., etc. :headscra:

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2010, 08:33:19 PM »
 nts He must be working for Obama!


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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 08:38:48 PM »
**** **** **** poll resulted in 68% supporting a NJ saltwater license.

Welcome Kensdock! t^  What is **** **** **** poll? 5hrug

I am not in favor of a saltwater license, but I know others that are.  There are anglers in Florida that believe the saltwater license was beneficial to them.  So your position is not without it's supporters.

I would, however, like to see where you're getting your data from.

$150M in stimulus money? :headscra:
7 Saltwater hatcheries?  :headscra:
3,129 immediate construction jobs?  :headscra:
Etc., etc., etc. :headscra:

Those are censored words Bob....



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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 08:40:04 PM »
Bob, the ***** ***** ***** is our censor kicking in because another 'site' was listed. TT^

As far as his poll. If he posted the poll he took it would show some very poor options. Of the poor options his 'yeah, i want a license' was the best answer. As I said, the options were horrible. The "what if's" are off the wall for anything that would be a quality, meaningful poll.
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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 08:43:39 PM »
OK.  I'm not sure if this guy is serious or just having some fun with us. :/ 

Either way, I'm just not seeing his argument. nosmly

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 08:47:42 PM »
This guy has an awful lot to say all of a sudden???   :headscra:

WTF ???

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2010, 09:01:52 PM »
Ah.. the Site name Censor  ;D



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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2010, 09:07:51 PM »
 whs  Sounds like an Oboma poll,

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2010, 09:21:06 PM »
What's an Oboma poll?  :headscra:

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2010, 09:22:22 PM »
 5hrug  5hrug

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2010, 09:47:52 PM »
It is this website:

Kens Dock

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2010, 09:50:08 PM »
As far as his poll. If he posted the poll he took it would show some very poor options. Of the poor options his 'yeah, i want a license' was the best answer. As I said, the options were horrible. The "what if's" are off the wall for anything that would be a quality, meaningful poll.

That is basically what it was...if you were backed into a corner, would you want a saltwater license with funds going to NJ or the Feds?  There isn't an option for...I AM AGAINST A SALTWATER FISHING LICENSE nts.

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Re: The cost of not having a NJ saltwater license
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2010, 09:52:45 PM »
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