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RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« on: February 16, 2011, 12:03:18 PM »
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February 16, 2011    

Catch Share Activists Arrive In DC To Spread Anti-American Fishing Pro

February 16, 2011 - This week, Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) activists are visiting the offices of federal legislators claiming erroneously to represent the interests of U.S. fishing communities while selling their plan to privatize our nation's public resources in the name of conservation.  According its sources, the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) said EDF campaigners have been arriving in DC by plane the last few days to promote their 'Catch Share' manifesto with Members of Congress in an effort to limit overall public access to coastal fisheries.
 
"On February 24, 2010, a national coalition of mainstream, grassroots fishing organizations helped unite the fishing industry in a call for fisheries reform, rallying on Capitol Hill and pleading with legislators to just say 'no' to Catch Shares," said RFA Executive Director Jim Donofrio.  "We had 5,000 fishermen waving flags and carrying signs at an open public protest last winter, and here it is almost a year to the day and EDF is still responding by slinking around in the shadows in Washington, pretending to represent fishermen," he said.
 
RFA has already been in contact with members of the House and Senate regarding the renewed lobbying efforts by EDF, which Donofrio calls "preservationist, anti-industry rhetoric" designed solely to limit public access to coastal resources. "Our legislators are going to hear buzzwords like 'overfishing' and 'imperiled' when these activists plead for support of their Catch Share program, but this unnecessary and restrictive policy is the anti-fishing community's answer to a perceived problem in fisheries management.  Their lobbying position does not represent the views and opinions of our U.S. fishing communities."
 
"The public does not want catch shares, recreational charter boats do not want catch shares, the majority of commercial fishermen do not want catch shares and yet Environmental Defense along with their former Vice Chairman Dr. Lubchenco continue to push their agenda even though they have very little support," said Capt. Bob Zales, II of the National Association of Charterboat Operators. In a letter to Members of Congress, Zales urged legislators to "insist this management travesty stop immediately and help us solve this national fishery crisis that has been caused by overzealous environmentalists who do not understand the complexity of fishery management and protecting heritages and jobs from total destruction."  
 
Earlier this week, President Obama unveiled his FY2012 budget request proposing a new National Catch Share Program calling for approximately $17.4 million in catch share funding to be moved out of Fisheries Research and Management Programs and Cooperative Research.  The President's budget defines Catch Share as "a general term for several fishery management strategies that allocate a specific portion of the total allowable fishery catch to individuals, cooperatives, communities, or other entities."  Those entitled to receive Catch Shares are accountable to cease fishing when specific quota is reached, and the President's budget also cites other programs like limited access privilege (LAP), individual fishing quota (IFQ) programs, and exclusive allocative measures such as Territorial Use Rights Fisheries (TURFs) that grant an exclusive privilege to fish in a geographically designated fishing ground.
 
"Our fishermen call it the privatization of a public resource, though I believe 'social engineering' is a perfectly good definition," Donofrio said.  "Catch Shares by design will cap fishing participation and trade ownership of our fish stocks amongst the privileged few, and we cannot support any type of management program which would put an end to open access fisheries in America."  RFA points to a particularly troubling two-year national trend where monies previously designated for science and research have been offloaded towards this program which Donofrio refers to as little more than coastal sharecropping.
 
"Showroom environmentalists have been working to secure buy-in from a handful of fishermen willing to sell out their friends to corner the market, but this Catch Share scheme that EDF is pushing will ultimately destroy our nation's fishing industry, it will put tens of thousands of fishermen out of work and forcibly deny public access to millions of American fishermen." RFA said that some fishing groups have publicly stated that Catch Shares won't work in 'recreational only' fisheries, a point of view which has actually been supported even by some of the groups openly supporting Catch Shares.
 
"The problem with that position is that tarpon, bonefish, permit, and a couple of other pure gamefish like largemouth bass are the sole recreational only fisheries in the United States today," Donofrio said.  "Red snapper, grouper, summer flounder, black sea bass, striped bass and even Pacific blue marlin are shared commercial and recreational fisheries, so failing to take a more unified and comprehensive stance against Catch Shares amongst both our sectors leaves all fishermen vulnerable to significant loss of access."
 
The EDF push for Catch Shares has been fueled by the statutory definition of "overfishing" written into the Magnuson Stevens Fisheries Conservation and Management Act which is now being used as a marketing tool to influence federal legislators.  "Overfishing is a legislative term which EDF uses interchangeably with the biological term when pressing their agenda with legislators.  What they won't be telling our elected politicians this week is that 80% of our nation's fisheries are no longer classified as experiencing overfishing, neither in biological nor statutory terms," Donofrio said.  "It's pure preservationist propaganda."
 
For the past four years, RFA has maintained that the real problem with coastal fisheries management stems from a poorly worded federal fisheries law which includes artful definitions, arbitrary deadlines, antiquated assessment models and inflexible requirements which have led to increased closures of vitally important coastal fisheries.  Coupled with "fatally flawed" harvest data and lost research funding through both the FY2011 and FY2012 federal budget, RFA says the concept of Catch Shares has become an easier sell for the environmental business community.
 
"Catch Shares will only cost more American jobs and lead to the outsourcing of our seafood industry to those foreign nations with no concern for quotas or conservation principles as held by American fishermen," Donofrio said.  "This privatization scheme is being sold as a method to end overfishing when all it really does is end open access fishing by placing our nation's marine fisheries into the hands of a select and privileged few."
 
On April 22, 2010, Donofrio testified before Congress on behalf of the recreational fishing community in vehement opposition to the Catch Share doctrine now being driven by EDF and its allies, openly criticizing fishing organizations which have allowed their leadership to compromise 'open access' through willingness to embrace and accept the privatization concept.  "Some groups have suggested limiting the number of recreational anglers to those individuals with the financial resources to pay for access, thereby creating free markets for catch shares," Donofrio said in testimony before a Congressional Subcommittee on Catch Shares.  "RFA hopes members of the Committee share our disgust with this notion of selecting recreational participation based on the criteria of money."
 
NOAA Fisheries Service responded in November with a new National Catch Share Policy which summarily dismissed all angler opposition to the notion of Catch Shares. "We've fought too hard and for too long to keep this catch share policy out of our sector, we cannot let NOAA continue to ramrod this policy through Councils in direct contradiction to the wishes of our fishing community," Donofrio said in November. "Clearly our federal bureaucracy is not listening to the will of the people."
 
To read RFA's official written testimony before Congress:
http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/RFACatchShares_040indf
 
RFA's advance release for Congressional Subcommittee hearing on Catch Shares:
http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/CatchShare_042110.pdf
 
See RFA's November 5, 2010 take on the NOAA Catch Share Policy:
http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/CatchShares_110510.pdf
 
 
 
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The Recreational Fishing Alliance is a national, grassroots political action organization representing recreational fishermen and the recreational fishing industry on marine fisheries issues. The RFA Mission is to safeguard the rights of saltwater anglers, protect marine, boat and tackle industry jobs, and ensure the long-term sustainability of our Nation's saltwater fisheries. For more information, call 888-JOIN-RFA or visit www.joinrfa.org.
 
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Re: Catch Share Activists Arrive In DC To Spread Anti-American Fishing Pro
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 01:20:05 PM »
First let me say I think the thread title is disgusting and totally out of line. Why the "AntiAmerican" bullsh*t. After all most Americans only need facts to base there opinions and not a political group to tell them what to think.
Why I may not agree with many so called "conservation groups" I do respect their rights. I also am willing to use my own rights to promote what I think is in my own self interst. I do not need to lower to the level of call people names or attempt to in still fear to accomplish my agenda................ I think it is AntiAMERICAN that I can not harvest stripe bass in the EEZ. ALL people that do not think repeat ALL people that don't agree with this are AntiAMERICAN. Why are you people stopping me from my RIGHT?
Now this is just my opinion but until we as rec fisherman become much better informed and our chosen leaders attempt to better inform us of the how ,whys and facts of fishery management will always be pawns in the game.
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Re: Catch Share Activists Arrive In DC To Spread Anti-American Fishing Pro
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 01:36:16 PM »
First let me say I think the thread title is disgusting and totally out of line. Why the "AntiAmerican" bullsh*t. After all most Americans only need facts to base there opinions and not a political group to tell them what to think.
Why I may not agree with many so called "conservation groups" I do respect their rights. I also am willing to use my own rights to promote what I think is in my own self interst. I do not need to lower to the level of call people names or attempt to in still fear to accomplish my agenda................ I think it is AntiAMERICAN that I can not harvest stripe bass in the EEZ. ALL people that do not think repeat ALL people that don't agree with this are AntiAMERICAN. Why are you people stopping me from my RIGHT?
Now this is just my opinion but until we as rec fisherman become much better informed and our chosen leaders attempt to better inform us of the how ,whys and facts of fishery management will always be pawns in the game.

Does that make it better for you. If I use the other title?

No Matter what title is up there. Catch Shares are bad for the Rec Fisherman.   Do you want to buy your Quota?  I am sure if it comes to that many of us will not be in the business much longer. 
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Re: Catch Share Activists Arrive In DC To Spread Anti-American Fishing Pro
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 01:54:52 PM »
First let me say I think the thread title is disgusting and totally out of line. Why the "AntiAmerican" bullsh*t. After all most Americans only need facts to base there opinions and not a political group to tell them what to think.
Why I may not agree with many so called "conservation groups" I do respect their rights. I also am willing to use my own rights to promote what I think is in my own self interst. I do not need to lower to the level of call people names or attempt to in still fear to accomplish my agenda................ I think it is AntiAMERICAN that I can not harvest stripe bass in the EEZ. ALL people that do not think repeat ALL people that don't agree with this are AntiAMERICAN. Why are you people stopping me from my RIGHT?
Now this is just my opinion but until we as rec fisherman become much better informed and our chosen leaders attempt to better inform us of the how ,whys and facts of fishery management will always be pawns in the game.
Try actually reading the ENTIRE press release before spouting off half cocked.

The anti-American part is PRIVATIZING A PUBLIC RESOURCE as well as MAKING A PUBLIC RESOURCE ONLY AVAILABLE TO A HANDFUL OF WELL TO DO PEOPLE/COMPANIES/ETC.
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No one said they were anti-American for having a differing point of view and no one accused them of being anti American for voicing that point of view. Since when is stating fact considered "instilling fear"?
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 02:42:37 PM »
If/when catch shares come into affect, many of us will not be able to 'pay the price' to fish.  I say when because the powers-to-be won't be happy until we have catch shares. Shame on them. nosmly rgmn rgmn rgmn
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 02:46:24 PM »
please do not confuse conservation groups with scum like the EDF activists. They seem more like Animal right activists. They will go to no end to spread their propaganda but yet give nothing back. From my understanding, a group like PETA  has not spent a penny to create 1 more saved egg, or 1 single shoot of wild rice to provide feed on the migratory fly ways. Yet they use these birds through pictures of cute little chicks and full plumage Wood Ducks in a fund raising calender to promote higher salaries for the board of directors.



"Some groups have suggested limiting the number of recreational anglers to those individuals with the financial resources to pay for access, thereby creating free markets for catch shares,"  

Which groups are these? That suggestion does disgust me. So only the rich can fish?  >:(
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Re: Catch Share Activists Arrive In DC To Spread Anti-American Fishing Pro
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 02:48:48 PM »


LOL Read it and agree with some and do not agree with some. Still think that the title was sick.  Where is the outrage of the anti American privatization of oil from federal lands? They are taking our oil Tony? How about the offshore drillers taking our oil? How about our grass from federal grazing lands? Yep they are also pumping our Natural gas  that belongs to us. Are they all anti American and if so where is the outrage?  I view catch shares as a management tool. Good or bad it is a tool. I personally do not think it is in the best interest of the rec fisherman to be part of a catch share sector but I am open to there opinions.
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
If/when catch shares come into affect, many of us will not be able to 'pay the price' to fish.  I say when because the powers-to-be won't be happy until we have catch shares. Shame on them. nosmly rgmn rgmn rgmn

Catch shares are in effect and have been for some time in many US fisheries. Small sounds bites may attract a lot of attention but may not explain the issue as a whole. A funny or sad thing is if Capt TB did a post and spun it just a little bit most of us would think catch shares are a great thing in the rec sector.Just the other day I was reading a  post about "wouldn't it be great if the party boats could get some quota so they could fish in the winter again" many thought this was a great idea and nobody called them anti American. Again this is just my opinion catch shares are not anti American(hell I pay for my deer tags). Again MHO catch shares are a poor tool for the REC sector and I am opposed to them. The reason I do not support them is because they are a poor tool and will cause the rec sector undue hardship. It has nothing to do with be anti American
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 03:31:12 PM »

 A funny or sad thing is if Capt TB did a post and spun it just a little bit most of us would think catch shares are a great thing in the rec sector.

I would have to disagree with this.  I do not want to have to by a quota.  Even if Capt. TB said it would be good.

Party boats can get quota if they want to for when the season is close. It is RSA quota.  I believe that 3% of the total quota is set aside for that. 

You bring up the deer tag and everyone has the right to get one that hunts but with catch shares they would be up to the highest bidder.  Do you think you would be able to get some of the catch shares for yourself? Would you be able to out bid Pew and Peta?   


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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 04:19:20 PM »

 A funny or sad thing is if Capt TB did a post and spun it just a little bit most of us would think catch shares are a great thing in the rec sector.

I would have to disagree with this.  I do not want to have to by a quota.  Even if Capt. TB said it would be good.

Party boats can get quota if they want to for when the season is close. It is RSA quota.  I believe that 3% of the total quota is set aside for that. 

You bring up the deer tag and everyone has the right to get one that hunts but with catch shares they would be up to the highest bidder.  Do you think you would be able to get some of the catch shares for yourself? Would you be able to out bid Pew and Peta?   

Fran I think you are confusing plenty of things here it also appears you may be unaware with how RSA works. NJ boats that have secured RSA poundage a few weeks ago will not be able to land fish for months do to a number of reasons, but thats a whole different issue. What you  describe is a worst case ,worst scenarios as far as bidding is concerned. That is not nessasary how it works. As far as not being for catch shares even when its spun. .........hummmmm.........  I think many recs are advacting it daily for the rec sector by thie post. If your not a commercal fisherman or concerned about consolidation and job loses in that  sector it would be extremely beneficial to rec fisherman. Taken to the extreme every post that calls for commercal landing reductions without lowering the rec quota is a form of catch shares

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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 04:28:45 PM »

 A funny or sad thing is if Capt TB did a post and spun it just a little bit most of us would think catch shares are a great thing in the rec sector.


You bring up the deer tag and everyone has the right to get one that hunts but with catch shares they would be up to the highest bidder.  Do you think you would be able to get some of the catch shares for yourself? Would you be able to out bid Pew and Peta?   
Is that how catch shares work in the halibut fishery in Alaska? How about the red snapper in the gulf? How about 10 other fisheries that have used it for over 10 years? How about NJ surf clam? There is plenty of reason for rec anglers to be against catch shares for our sector. We do not to use scare tactics ,proper information should work just fine.
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 05:05:26 PM »
Capt. Birch,
I do Know how the RSA works and almost bought some of the fluke quota.

I did not right this it cam from JIm H at RFA and he Titled it so if you have a problem with the title talk to him.

Catch Shares are new to me and everyone in the rec sector.  I know that it is used in the com part of fishing and has put alot of the commercial guys out of business because they could not afford to run there boats on the quota that they were given or bought.  If you know more information about catch shares then Capt. TB, Capt. Adam, and Rhonda Maker who has been run out of the fishing industry do to catch shares in Kodiak, Ak  and Runs Kodiak Against Catch shares.  I went to the march in DC and spoke with many people about it and it was explained the same way each time. 

But please let me know what is the full story on catch shares.

Sorry I did not get to talk to you at the meeting I am just glad that people are showing up to them.  t^


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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 05:23:44 PM »
Capt. Birch,
E-mail send with the latest NACO Report with three pages on catch shares.


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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 05:27:51 PM »
Capt. Birch,
I do Know how the RSA works and almost bought some of the fluke quota.

I did not right this it cam from JIm H at RFA and he Titled it so if you have a problem with the title talk to him.

Catch Shares are new to me and everyone in the rec sector.  I know that it is used in the com part of fishing and has put alot of the commercial guys out of business because they could not afford to run there boats on the quota that they were given or bought.  If you know more information about catch shares then Capt. TB, Capt. Adam, and Rhonda Maker who has been run out of the fishing industry do to catch shares in Kodiak, Ak  and Runs Kodiak Against Catch shares.  I went to the march in DC and spoke with many people about it and it was explained the same way each time.  

But please let me know what is the full story on catch shares.

Sorry I did not get to talk to you at the meeting I am just glad that people are showing up to them.  t^

LOL  The people that were the most upset over catch shares were the people that got small shares.The guys that got big pieces of pie are not crying.It is also kinda of strange that with catch shares many rec guys post about how it hurts the commercal guy and how its so bad for them but then the next post is how the commercal guys should be stopped from dragging or gill netting or potting with no concern at all for thier livlyhood. I have been on over 12 differnt party boats were the captians flat out said they would be all for it if they got a big enough share. Hell even at last years January United Boatmen meeting more than a few partyboat captains thought it could be a great thing for them. It was not until CaptTB explained that was a genie they did not want to let out of the bottle.For hire only accounted for about 16% of fluke landing so the pie would pretty small
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2011, 05:35:49 PM »
Capt. Birch,
E-mail send with the latest NACO Report with three pages on catch shares.
Fran Please do not take any of this as a personal attack that is not my intention. I think its fair to say that we both agree that catch shares is not in the best interest of the avg rec fisherman. I think the facts state that out pretty well. My  original post was directed at the rhetoric that was being used . I think the facts should support a position.


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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2011, 05:37:46 PM »
I think the best word used was "if".  I would be happy too if I go a big piece of the pie but I know that is not the case.  I am not a member of UB so I do not know much about them.  I am a Rec guy that runs a small charter business.  I do not make a living doing this.  I do spend 6 at least six days a week on the water.  So I am not a weekend charter guy either.  I want to be able to take my kids fishing but with catch shares that will not happen.


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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2011, 07:13:52 PM »
Recreational Fishing Alliance 
Contact:  Jim Hutchinson, Jr. / 888-564-6732 
For Immediate Release
February 16, 2011     
 RFA Says DC Legislators Pushed Back Hard Against Preservationist Attack
 
February 16, 2011 - Earlier today, the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) issued a press release blasting Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) activists for erroneously claiming to represent U.S. fishing interests today on Capitol Hill.  RFA has since learned that members of the EDF delegation have been shameless in their anti-fishing rhetoric with legislators, putting out false information to members of Congress in hoping to sell their Catch Share manifesto.
 
"We heard from our sources that one particular turncoat captain now working for EDF actually claimed that all 5,000 fishermen who rallied in DC last February were actually paid by rally organizers to attend the massive demonstration," said RFA Executive Director Jim Donofrio.  "The fishermen that showed in Washington to defend their right to fish are not the sellouts that the preservationist community had hoped to find.  These were hardworking fishermen and dedicated saltwater anglers who rallied in DC last year, so we're happy to see that EDF's treachery fail miserably today in our nation's capital."
 
Just a few hours ago, Congressman Walter Jones (R-NC) filed an anti-catch shares amendment to H.R. 1 - the Fiscal Year 2011 Continuing Resolution which will fund the federal government through the remainder of Fiscal Year 2011.  Amendment #548 was printed in the Congressional Record today and would prohibit NOAA Fisheries from spending any money on the development and approval of new catch share programs in fisheries under the jurisdiction of the Gulf of Mexico, South Atlantic, Mid-Atlantic and New England Fishery Management Councils. It does not affect anything on the West Coast or Alaska.  This amendment could come up for floor consideration, and potentially a vote as early as this evening.
 
"Fishing industry representatives who support Rep. Jones' amendment need to contact their Members of Congress in the House of Representatives and urge them to support the Jones Amendment #548 to block funding for catch shares," Donofrio.  "We're also very thankful to all those legislators who weighed in today from along the coast in opposition to this sharecropping scheme being perpetrated by EDF."   
 
U.S. Senator Kay R. Hagan (D-NC) today led a bipartisan, bicameral group of lawmakers in urging the Department of Commerce to consider alternatives to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Catch Share Program. In a letter to Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, the Members of Congress said the policy endangers the fishing industry and asked him to consider alternative fishery management techniques.
 
Hagan sent the letter along with Sens. Charles Schumer (D-NY), Richard Burr (R-NC), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), and Scott Brown (R-MA), and Reps. Jones, Barney Frank (D-MA), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Frank Pallone (D-NJ), and Mike McIntyre (D-NC).
 
"The fishing industry is a crucial part of our nation's economy, but in these tough economic times, too many fishermen are struggling to provide for themselves, their families, and their communities," the lawmakers wrote. "We write to express our concern that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) catch share policy will further endanger the economic vitality of the already-struggling fishing industry and will not end overfishing, and to urge NOAA to consider other well-established fishery management techniques."
 
NOAA has requested $54 million to encourage the adoption of catch share programs but has not committed the necessary funds to assessing fishery stocks, as it isrequired to do under the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The members said in their letter that NOAA must do this assessment before even considering a new fishery management tool that does not have broad-based support from the fishing industry.
 
"Honest fishermen work very hard to make a living in our states every day," the Members of Congress wrote. "For them and for our economy, we must institute fishery management tools that enhance the industry's vitality, not diminish it."
 
The signed letter in PDF format can be viewed here.
 
To find your Member of Congress in support of Amendment #548, visit https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
 
 
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2011, 04:52:00 AM »
Hey Birch, make up your mind huh? First you question Dropoff about having to beat the highest bidder and ask "is that how it works in Halibut? Snapper? etc."

Then, you give an "LOL" and say " the only ones complaining are the ones with the smallest share!"

Well, guess what?  YOU will be the one getting the smallest share. Unless, you wish to pay more money than anyone else for someone elses's share.

And yes, that IS how it has worked in a number of those other fisheries with ITQ's, IFQ's.

Do you think Michael Milken and EDF held investment opportunity seminars discussing the investment potential of catch shares in the commercial and recreational fisheries for fun?

Of course, only an idiot would not be willing to buy a catch share if they could afford it if that was the only option available.

There are a lot of things I'd be willing to do when forced to either do it or lose my business ::)

I won't waste anyone's time on this nonsense anymore.

If someone actually reads up on catch shares and are not afraid, then I question their sanity or they are looking out to benefit themselves at the cost of others because they can, not because they need to.

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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2011, 08:30:33 AM »
Tony  I to  am against Catch shares for The rec sector and have stated that many times. I just think the facts of why they are a poor fit can stand for the themself and do not need to be spun with all the other garbage. Why through up the poor commercal fisherman as an example but not make one comment or posts that are calling for ending many commercal fisheries. If I attempt to defend them in one area for their rights shouldn't I do it in all? Shouldn't people just make up their mind huh?    
Yep right or wrong I do find many things funny. Maybe because there is humor maybe because there is so much irony. example just a question what would happen if groups bought shares and did not land fish? Would that unlanded quota be added to next years TAL? Would the total TAL be increased due to less fishing pressure? Would the high volume of available quota make it cost prohibitive for groups to buy enough quota without draining their finaces?  Yep that stretching it a bit.  Do IFQ and prior landing histories have any connection?    The real funny thing is we are on the same side of this issue. And yes thowing the anti American label really got me going.   I am against catch shares for the rec sector because it is a bad tool.
 It has been my observation(again IMHO)that most rec web site post will have far more views and far more comments about guy that went to the reef and caught 4 fish than a RFA press release. Why is that? 

also only in America would people have Micheal Milken sell them anything ;D  
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Re: RFA SAYS ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE IS ON THE OFFENSIVE
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2011, 09:04:30 AM »
I just think the facts of why they are a poor fit can stand for the themself and do not need to be spun with all the other garbage.
Garbage? Spin?  Since when are facts spin? The fact that you don't like it does not make it untrue, hate to break it to you.

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Why through up the poor commercal fisherman as an example but not make one comment or posts that are calling for ending many commercal fisheries.
Umm... not sure what you mean by that one, please elaborate.

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If I attempt to defend them in one area for their rights shouldn't I do it in all?
Seriously? Are you actually asking me that question??? OK, let's assume for the moment you are serious. No, just because you defend a group on something that is a shared problem (or at least a perceived shared problem for those that are not sure) does not have to mean you will not disagree with their position on other issues.

I cannot believe I have to actually say this, but not everyone agrees 100% of the time on 100% of the issues. Black and white is not reality, there are many other shades and colors in between (about 16 million that the human eye can detect at any rate) I can agree with COA that the ocean needs to be cleaner. That does not mean I have to agree with them that the only way to do that is remove people from the ocean 100% (that is a made up example, but it would have to be true based on your previous ASSumption.)

I do not have the time to go further right now, but after that last assinine point/question of yours that "if you defend them in one area shouldn't you do it in all" I see this is not a serious discussion.

The fact that you are offended by the use of the term anti-american shows me you have little actual knowledge on the subject of catch shares, their prior and current implementations and their design for future use in both commercial and recreational fisheries. That is not a knock on you personally, most people know very little about them other than what they read in the paper or the snippets from news articles online/whathaveyou.

Give me a shout when you have spent a few years looking into it and then perhaps if you still have the same indignation in response to a similar press release I will gladly debate the topic some more.

I am glad you are against them (catch shares) in the rec sector because you THINK they are a bad tool.

I'll introduce you to a few thousand fishing families that are now bankrupt from around the country, and then the HANDFUL of corporations/families that are now wealthy as a DIRECT RESULT of catch shares.

If you do not call that anti-American then we have nothing further to discuss.


 

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