It’s Back! Seismic Testing!

[njdiver]

“The State University of New Jersey at Rutgers (Rutgers), with funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF), proposes to conduct a high-energy, 3-D seismic survey on the R/V Marcus G. Langseth in the northwest Atlantic Ocean ~25–85 km from the coast of New Jersey in summer 2015.”

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/amended_mountain_nj_margin_ex_draft_18dec14-b.pdf

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/index.jsp

[Hotrod]

Here we go again...

[fellinger]

Getting greedy for that oil!

[DrakeRader]

Getting greedy for that oil!

From where did you get the idea that this research, about climate change and sea-level change, was about oil & gas?

[fellinger]

I forget the location (I want to say FL or LA) but, it was done the same way. I am suspect of how this testing could be beneficial for climate change. http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/28/seismic-airgun-testing-offshore-drilling-threaten-marine-life/

[DrakeRader]

I forget the location (I want to say FL or LA) but, it was done the same way. I am suspect of how this testing could be beneficial for climate change. http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/28/seismic-airgun-testing-offshore-drilling-threaten-marine-life/

Fair enough, you see something in NJ done the same way as elsewhere, but you find the premise suspicious.
Maybe it's a good idea to read about the science, who the people are, before you spread rumors that it's about oil and gas...don't you think?

[fellinger]

I am certainly not a conspiracy theorist or what have you. I just find the premise odd as this testing has been approved for just about the entire east coast for the purpose of oil exploration. We've had previous discussions on this topic. The loss of marine life that could occur is pretty significant if you ask me - hundreds of dolphins, whales, and turtles. There's no telling what the impact would be on the pelagics that frequent the area.

Also, I didn't spread a rumor. My opinions of their intent is exactly that. You are more than welcome to agree or disagree.

[DrakeRader]

I am certainly not a conspiracy theorist or what have you. I just find the premise odd as this testing has been approved for just about the entire east coast for the purpose of oil exploration. We've had previous discussions on this topic. The loss of marine life that could occur is pretty significant if you ask me - hundreds of dolphins, whales, and turtles. There's no telling what the impact would be on the pelagics that frequent the area.



The takes on marine life, in comparison with that associated with the fishing industry, is minor. In relation to the ongoing dredging for beach nourishment, it isn't even on the radar. Noise in the ocean is a significant issue, but with shipping, mapping and various industries, this project isn't particularly significant-- unless you choose to make it so.
About oil & gas, Obama opened up the Atlantic south of New Jersey to oil-exploration seismic research. At the same time, oceanographers have been studying the ocean seeking no to learn little else than to understand how the earth works. Rosetta comet project Earth style. Take off your tin hat, and read the science, ok?

[Takes Prizoners]

Someone's gone fishing.......

[Hotrod]

I forget the location (I want to say FL or LA) but, it was done the same way. I am suspect of how this testing could be beneficial for climate change. http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/28/seismic-airgun-testing-offshore-drilling-threaten-marine-life/

Fair enough, you see something in NJ done the same way as elsewhere, but you find the premise suspicious.
Maybe it's a good idea to read about the science, who the people are, before you spread rumors that it's about oil and gas...don't you think?

HUm...You may have us mistaken for another site..

[Pfishingruven]

HUm...You may have us mistaken for another site..

 

[IrishAyes]

DrakeRader, perhaps you can enlighten us tin hat wearers as to the benefit vs any harm to the environment/marine life. The only thing I could find with a google search was that the tests in question will provide valuable information to the oil industry.  

So, put on your 10 gallon hat and 'splain it to us, you have the floor. We will be your captive audience.

As an aside, you won't make many friends coming into a room and starting off by making disparaging comments to the regulars.

BTW, I think beach replenishment is a huge waste of time, effort and money.

[fellinger]

I am certainly not a conspiracy theorist or what have you. I just find the premise odd as this testing has been approved for just about the entire east coast for the purpose of oil exploration. We've had previous discussions on this topic. The loss of marine life that could occur is pretty significant if you ask me - hundreds of dolphins, whales, and turtles. There's no telling what the impact would be on the pelagics that frequent the area.



The takes on marine life, in comparison with that associated with the fishing industry, is minor. In relation to the ongoing dredging for beach nourishment, it isn't even on the radar. Noise in the ocean is a significant issue, but with shipping, mapping and various industries, this project isn't particularly significant-- unless you choose to make it so.
About oil & gas, Obama opened up the Atlantic south of New Jersey to oil-exploration seismic research. At the same time, oceanographers have been studying the ocean seeking no to learn little else than to understand how the earth works. Rosetta comet project Earth style. Take off your tin hat, and read the science, ok?

I would much rather have you read it to me since you seem to be so engrossed in its content. I am sure it's all legit. I mean it must be it's written right on the links provided. There could never be any other reason for it... Or could there?

Well, if I was a conspiracy theorist I would say you have a vested interest in this project and would do whatever it takes to protect it. You set some Google word alerts and joined our forum because it met your alert criteria. After all you did happen to join less than two hours after this topic was posted. In the several times this topic has come up I haven't met one fisherman who support the impact that it would have on the ocean mammals and fishes. Hmmm

Guys while we're off topic (go figure right?) please don't forget we never landed on the moon either. Here is the proof. I found it on the internet so, it has to be true; http://listverse.com/2012/12/28/10-reasons-the-moon-landings-could-be-a-hoax/

If you are against the Gov't and their chemtrails and geoengineering please join me at the convention in April! Tin hats are mandatory! http://globalmarchagainstchemtrailsandgeoengineering.com/

Enjoy your coffee (or is it??)

[Hotrod]

All About The Dollar

[Uncle Luna]

 

[njdiver]

If you would like to do the research:

http://www.iagc.org/media/files/page/Marine-Seismic-Operations-Overview.pdf

https://s3.amazonaws.com/delawareestuary/scienceandresearch/scienceprojects/Climate/library/Cooper_etal2008.pdf


http://geology.rutgers.edu/topical-issues/sea3d

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/index.jsp

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/amended_mountain_nj_margin_ex_draft_18dec14-b.pdf

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/permits/nsfldeo_ea2014_draft.pdf

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/permits/nsf_ldeo_newjersey_ea2014.pdf

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/nj-seismic-research/nj-final-ea-1-july-2014-with-appendices.pdf


http://www.cleanoceanaction.org/fileadmin/editor_group2/General/Public_Relations/Photos/Seismic/OutreachCruiseSummary.pdf

https://www.princeton.edu/step/people/faculty/michael-oppenheimer/recent-publications/Future-Sea-Level-Rise-and-the-New-Jersey-Coast-Assessing-Potential-Impacts-and-Opportunities.pdf

http://publications.iodp.org/preliminary_report/313/313PR.PDF

http://cleanoceanaction.blogspot.com/2014/07/seismic-triple-threat-to-atlantic-ocean.html

http://www.nj.gov/dep/docs/seismic-testing-federal-complaint.pdf

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/newsrel/2014/14_0071.htm

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/03/renewed_search_for_offshore_oil_along_atlantic_coast_raises_concerns_in_nj.html


http://www.subacoustech.com/wp-content/uploads/NPLDiverNoisePresentation.pdf

http://www.dmac-diving.org/guidance/DMAC12.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46871169/DMAC-Diving-Distance-From-Seismic-Survey-Ops-1979

http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/4995/ADA407482.pdf?sequence=1

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2012/11/10/2291933_seismic-tests-off-diablo-canyon.html?rh=1

http://thecre.com/pdf/THE_FEDERAL_GOVERNMENTS_LONGSTANDING_REGULATION_OF_SEISMIC_AIRGUNS.pdf

http://www.memac-rsa.org/pdf/Guidelines/3%2520GUIDELINES%2520TO%2520THE%2520CONDUCT%2520OF%2520SEISMIC%2520OPERATIONS.pdf

http://www.ecu.edu/cs-acad/crm/upload/2014-SeismicBib-2.pdf

[Hotrod]

There are many reasons for doing seismic surveys. They are used to check
foundations for roads, buildings or large structures such as bridges. They can help to
Marine Seismic Overview 3
© IAGC March 2002.
detect ground water. They can be used to assess where coal and minerals are.
One of the most common uses is in the search for hydrocarbon resources, gas and
oil, and most commercial seismic surveying is carried out in this energy sector.
Oil and gas exploration takes place all over the Earth's surface. It can be generally
considered as falling into the two main categories:
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Onshore or Land Exploration
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Offshore or Marine Exploration.

[njdiver]

Good news on the proposed Seismic Survey off Barnegat Inlet later this summer.  “NSF has decided to extend the public comment period by an additional 15 days above and beyond the 37 days it was planned to be open for comment.  The public comment period will now close on February 9, 2015, 11:59pm Eastern Standard Time.”  Last year’s attempt was stymied by equipment failure.  Please let them know what you think of this situation by sending an email comment to:
 
nsfcommentnj@nsf.gov
 
We are searching for studies done on the effects of their equipment on recreational divers and will post and inform our community when the final Environmental Assessment has been published.  The proposed Environmental Assessment can be found here:
 
http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/amended_mountain_nj_margin_ex_draft_18dec14-b.pdf
 

[Hotrod]

Thanks for the update

[fellinger]

You guys really should read the science.