Sandy: During & After the Storm

[Bucktail]

That's scary Paul!  Glad you're all safe.

[Hotrod]

That Sucks Paul.. Be safe brother

[Pfishingruven]

She is sitting right around the canyons....picked up speed...moving close to 30 MPH now....landfall in 3 hours now it seems....which is 3 hours before the tide......
Oh and still no Hurricane Warning for NJ.  

There will not be any tropical watches or warnings issued because this is not really a hurricane, it is a hybrid storm.  Hurricanes do not have wind fields this large and the storm is no longer being powered by convection and warm waters.  This was a big argument among the weather agencies.  It was expected that when the turn was made, it would speed up being picked up the the trough/front.  This is good, but landfall still leaves 500 miles of storm to get through still.  The effects of storm surge will be felt way beyond landfall and the next high tide. Water is likely to be backed up in the bays for days.

 

[Pfishingruven]

Crazy Paul!  Glad everyone is ok!

[Capt. Carl]

Then they should stop calling it hurricane sandy

[Mbailey33]

The fact that they are not posting Hurricane warnings may be a good thing for a homeowner from an insurance standpoint.....many companies that charge Hurricane Deductibles (1% to 5%+ of the limits on the policy which equates to thousands of dollar deductibles) charge that deductible when the storm is officially classified as a hurricane by the NWS or other Govt weather agencys) then a "Hurricane Watch or Warning must be issued", with this being classified as a hybrid storm, many insurance companies may charge their insds the normal policy deductible, which can be thousands less than a hurricane deductible. That all varies state by state though. I know in NY that it has to be a Cat2 Hurricane for the insurance companies to charge that exhorbanent deductible....Ill check what Jersey is.

[Capt. Carl]

Thats all well and good...im just sayin this is a damn HURRICANE!

[Mbailey33]

    hey man, dont shoot the messenger 

[Capt. Carl]

Not at all.....just saying....as long as it is on the water and has an eye.....its a HURRICANE
Once center is on land they can call it whatever they want

[Pfishingruven]

Not at all.....just saying....as long as it is on the water and has an eye.....its a HURRICANE
Once center is on land they can call it whatever they want

Not true Captain Carl...not true at all!!

 

[Capt. Carl]

True as hell....was a hurricane in the carribean no?....same storm.....HURRICANE SANDY

[Capt. Carl]

Weather channel just said it is a hurricane still....then will be noreaster

[Pfishingruven]

True as hell....was a hurricane in the carribean no?....same storm.....HURRICANE SANDY

Weather channel just said it is a hurricane still....then will be noreaster

You can call it what you want, but from a meteorological standpoint this is not a hurricane.  If this was truly a hurricane the NHC would have 100% issued Watches and Warnings...which they did not!   Many reasons...if this was a tropical hurricane it would have died off in Georgia.  The water is not warm enough to sustain a tropical cyclone.  Tropical cyclones run off of warm water and convection or thunderstorms...see any thunderstorms in this storm?  Around Georgia this storm starting changing, from barotropic to baroclinic, running off of temperature difference between air aloft and ocean waters, reliant on pressure...hence why the pressure is that of almost at Category 3 Storm with only Category 1 winds.  The wind field is about 500-600 miles wider than a hurricane.  What would be only 30-40mph winds to the north are really 75-80mph creating a massive storm surge.  This storm is not flowing tropical moisture out of the ocean onto land either.  A tropical cyclone would bring 12+ inches of rain, not less.  This is a left sided storm, with most of the rain in the southwest side, not northeast and east side like a tropical cyclone would have.  This is a hybrid, soon to be extratropical storm.  Landfall does not change or effect what the storm actually is...

This was the argument with the NWS.  They can't actually post tropical cyclone watches and warnings because it is not truly tropical.  However, the NHC continues to track the storm and this is benefitting us.  If they had turned the storm over to the other Center, we would no longer get winds, direction and speed or central pressure and air recon would be done.  So, while I agree that tropical watches and warnings would have been taken more seriously, the action taken by the NHC was for the best of all affected!

 

[Still Running]

This hurricane just took my power. 

Boy all the kids want to talk to me now that they don't have power to run their Internet.

I'll let them stew awhile before I turn on the generator 

[Capt. Carl]

Phish.....I see 2 threads that you started with Hurricane on it.....last time I checked they don't name noreasters.....they compared it all day to Irene....another hurricane.....and its not a hurricane all of a sudden.
I can call it what I want....and I call it a HURRICANE.
I WIN!
I'm not all sophisticated in the meterological slang.....and you do an excellent job as the NJSWF Weather man....keep it up buddy!
I think.if my boat goes down, I just want to be able to say it was in a HURRICANE!  

[Mbailey33]

Phish.....I see 2 threads that you started with Hurricane on it.....last time I checked they don't name noreasters.....they compared it all day to Irene....another hurricane.....and its not a hurricane all of a sudden.
I can call it what I want....and I call it a HURRICANE.
I WIN!
I'm not all sophisticated in the meterological slang.....and you do an excellent job as the NJSWF Weather man....keep it up buddy!
I think.if my boat goes down, I just want to be able to say it was in a HURRICANE!  

Ok im outta this one
before i get this done to me

[fellinger]

Oh boy. The  continues.

I was looking at radar. It definitely had CARLcentric rotation. 

 

[Pfishingruven]

Phish.....I see 2 threads that you started with Hurricane on it.....last time I checked they don't name noreasters.....they compared it all day to Irene....another hurricane.....and its not a hurricane all of a sudden.
I can call it what I want....and I call it a HURRICANE.
I WIN!
I'm not all sophisticated in the meterological slang.....and you do an excellent job as the NJSWF Weather man....keep it up buddy!
I think.if my boat goes down, I just want to be able to say it was in a HURRICANE!  

You win !!

OK, Hurricane for boat insurance and not a hurricane for homeowners...best of both worlds.  Can it work that way, Matt ??

 

[Pfishingruven]

This hurricane just took my power. 

Boy all the kids want to talk to me now that they don't have power to run their Internet.

I'll let them stew awhile before I turn on the generator 

Good thing you have the generator!  They won't be happy if it took out the internet lines too .

[Mbailey33]

I fish with Carl, and i dont want to swim home......I plead the 5th.